How can you possibly know what others experience or do not experience? I
understand your point and I agree that expectation muddies the waters of
meditation, but that doesn't mean that some, eventually, swan-like, get through
that muddy water and come out clean.
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I'm not talking about what somebody says *about* the Absolute, I'm
talking about the *experience* of the Absolute. Like I said, Vaj,
without a direct experience of the Absolute, all of your pseudo
scholarly comparative mumbo-jumbo verbiage is meaningless apart from
satisfying curiosity but with nothing practical to show for it.
If you can't come up with anything more than your pontifications
you're wasting everybody's time. But specifically offering something
practicable instead of just ignorantly bashing TM isn't your purpose,
is it? Your purpose is just to bash TM, a technique that works,
without offering anything else better; an empty arrogant exercise in
personal hostility.
Sorry do.rflex, you seem to have misunderstood once again. I do not assume
(like you do) that TMers experience anything like "the absolute", but I do
accept that they have been conditioned to believe they are having the
experience they were told they are experiencing. A large part of TM
indoctrination, as you know, is setting up belief expectations and telling
people what it is they will experience. That does not make it true.
So, therefore your belief that TMers have this experience is IMHO, mostly
conditioning.
If you don't like to hear more about the YS and yoga-darshana because they
threaten you, don't read what I have to say then. But keep in mind, if you
don't understand the relative correctly, don't expect then to present views on
the absolute that are of any value other than to those who 'drank the koolaid'
(i.e. those who've decided to believe their TM indoctrination). The more
indoctrination a TMer has, the more tenaciously they hold onto the newly
acquired conditioning.
I'm guessing you've had quite a bit! ;-)
> But the latter is common is diluted and/or
> distorted traditions, like the TMO.
Your attempt to characterize the TMO has nothing to do with the
reality of the actual direct *experience* of the Absolute by countless
numbers of TMers via TM. And you haven't a clue what that really is
since you've never *experienced* the actual properly instructed
practice of TM yourself.
Again, you are operating on a false assumption, that TMers, via TM, experience
the absolute. I don't accept that that is in fact the case in all or most
TMers, although I do accept that many believe they are experiencing pure
consciousness, the home of all the laws of nature, the unified field, the
vacuum state, etc., etc. etc.
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