--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I've just stated that I don't assume that Maharishi
> > > > is Self-realized/enlightened, and you want me to 
> > > > care about *his* definition of enlightenment?  :-)
> > > 
> > > I assume MMY is enlightened in the same way I assume I
> > > exist. It is not a conceptual proposition for me
> > > because of the incredible experiences I've had that
> > > MMY has been the catalyst for. Haven't any of you guys
> > > experienced that infinite vastness of consciousness in
> > > MMY's presence? 
> > 
> > I'm not saying that considering him any way you
> > want to is incorrect.  I was merely stating how
> > I see him.  I do not assume that he is fully
> > enlightened.  I do not assume that Rama was fully
> > enlightened or that Gangaji (the only one of the
> > commonly-discussed teachers here I have personally
> > met) is.  I also do not assume that they are not
> > fully enlightened.
> 
> Define "fully enlightened." 

You really *haven't* been listening, have you?  :-)








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