--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I've just stated that I don't assume that Maharishi
> > > is Self-realized/enlightened, and you want me to 
> > > care about *his* definition of enlightenment?  :-)
> > 
> > I assume MMY is enlightened in the same way I assume I
> > exist. It is not a conceptual proposition for me
> > because of the incredible experiences I've had that
> > MMY has been the catalyst for. Haven't any of you guys
> > experienced that infinite vastness of consciousness in
> > MMY's presence? 
> 
> I'm not saying that considering him any way you
> want to is incorrect.  I was merely stating how
> I see him.  I do not assume that he is fully
> enlightened.  I do not assume that Rama was fully
> enlightened or that Gangaji (the only one of the
> commonly-discussed teachers here I have personally
> met) is.  I also do not assume that they are not
> fully enlightened.

Define "fully enlightened." Personally, I think within MMY's framework, there's 
no such 
thing. Of course, he'd have a hard time admitting that about Gurudev, but 
that's his own 
limitation...







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