--- In [email protected], ruthsimplicity <no_re...@...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "Richard M" <compost1uk@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We have EEG evidence of Samadhi in Patanjali  
> > > yogins, so we know what it looks like. If you can't replicate 
those  
> > > findings in students, I would hope that would be a point of 
concern
> > 
> > Vaj - can you not see the methodological flaw in this? It's 
circular.
> > 
> > Let me re-phase your statement slightly:
> > 
> > We have tested these guys and found a pattern. We see that that 
pattern 
> > matches what samadhi looks like. Therefore we now know what samadhi 
> > looks like. Groan...
> > 
> > Or is it:
> > 
> > We don't know what samadhi is, but whatever it is, we know these 
guys 
> > have got it (how, if we don't know what samadhi is?). So now we've 
measured 
> > them, and as a result we now know what samadhi is. Groan...
> 
> 
> We have correlated physiological markers to specific
> described experiences that occur in more than one person.  
> We do not know if the same markers might occur in different 
> people in different circumstances.  We do not know if there is 
> any "cosmic" meaning (for lack of a better word) for the 
> experience or the markers. 


Yes. I buy that reading. That means I haven't bought much, eh?

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