--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Richard M wrote: > >> > >>> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> We have EEG evidence of Samadhi in Patanjali > >>>> yogins, so we know what it looks like. If you can't replicate those > >>>> findings in students, I would hope that would be a point of concern > >>> > >>> Vaj - can you not see the methodological flaw in this? It's > >>> circular. > >> > >> Since this has been discussed before here, ad nauseum, I did not feel > >> I needed to explain in any detail. > >> > >> The statement relies on the assumption that the traditional Patanjali > >> yogins were not lying and that they knew, through their lineal > >> instruction, what that state of consciousness was. However, given > >> that we've now replicated this finding in numerous other yogins, in > >> numerous independent labs, and that the same process now is > >> understood to underlie neuroplastic restructuring of the brain, I > >> have a significant degree of confidence in such statements--or I > >> wouldn't make them. > >> > > > > Unlike MMY, and the TM researchers, etc... > > Very little confidence in most of their research. I just don't see a > lot of credibility there. > > Of course if I heard they were replicating EEG evidence seen in > Patanjali yogins, I'd be very interested--esp. if independent labs > could replicate the findings and the yogins could go into those > states at will. for as long as they desired... >
Yeah, that Buddha they keep failing to slay is sooooo important... L.
