--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > MMY has gone mental! Love that ol' cosmic coot, > > but > > > he's gone off his cosmic rocker! > > > > Is that based on your expectation of how the > > realized should act > > and/or how gurus should interact with their > > students? > > Read this one second to the real estate response. Yes, > you definately got up on the wrong side of the bed.
Actually not. I slept well. But I wrote these queries last night, so its got to be something else. I am jut a bit intrigued by the "expectations" theme. See other posts on this. (this one summarizes some of the issues.) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/64595 > Why don't you talk to me about what's really bothering > you. Nothing is bothering me other than my disquieting habit of following a train of logic to its natural conclusion, regardless of "expectations" of where it should go. I realize my words might have sounded pissy, particularly if you woke up on the wrong side of the bed :), but they were not intended as such. >It obviously has nothing to do with MMY's mental > health or the decor of very large SV homes. Yes, in the sense its about exploring the expectations theme. You appear, in my view, to be smearing judgemental critics and expectations with personal preferences. To say, "that decor is not for me" -- and then dropping it, is a statment of personal taste. To go further and say "thats tacky" is judgemental. And there is a semantical razor's edge here. By "judgemental views" I mean making assessemnt of others or things that are not required for ones own decisions and actions. Its not decrying using "judgement" aka IMO intellectual discrimination, which when applied to things one must make a decision about, and actions one is considering, is a good thing. A theme I am exploring is "are judgemental views rooted in expectations"? It seem to be a correct, and useful, hypothesis, but I am still looking for exceptions to disprove the it. So back to the examples, to say "that decor is not for me" is an expression of personal taste, and may be quite relevant if one is considering buying or renting the property. To make a value judgement, that is to be judgemental about it, particularly if its a disparaging one, particularly if it makes disparaging implications about others, then its unecessary, it serves no decision-based or action-based service. It only serves to distinguish oneself from others, to subtly disparage others, a habit of the ego to pump up its own superiority. And I know Unc was making a joke. So we could just laugh it off as not relevant. But I find "jokes" can often have embedded judgements at thier core. Its what makes it "funny". It might be termed disparaging humor or one-upmanship humor. And such humor can be self-mocking, that is one uses such humor to point out the foibles of us all, incuding the joke teller. But on the other hand, I have several friends, quite smart, upbeat, spiritually inclined people, who at times can make quite disparaging remarks about others -- in the context of humor. Its can be quite shocking, the "meaness" of it all. But its a "joke", right? That excuses everthing. :) But where is the line between personal tastes (a fine thing) and judgemental views (an unecessary and harmful thing)? As touched on above, I think it is where the judgement is relavant to, necessary for, a personal decisions about an action. If its not, its a superfilous and extranious judgement -- and its this type of constant internally (and sometimes externally) "commenting on" judging people and things, that cloud the mind. A parting example. You might comment internally (why the need to express this externally is another issue): "MMY's behavior as a guru is not useful to me. I won't follow what he says (anymore)." Thats all good and fine, it relates to a personal decision and action. To go further, even as a joke, and say "he is off his rocker etc", is judgemental, and serves no purpose in terms of personal decisions and actions. Its could be a venting or coping sort of mechanism, and a means to dissassociate yourself from the craziness, in a smug sort of way. And it may indeed have to do with your expectations of what a realized person should do and how guru should act when interacting with his students. For you, perhaps, its inappropriate. Perhaps you bring up counter arguments "well, not all gurus need to act in this way, e.g., SSRS, Amma, etc." -- which might imply an expectation of how gurus should act. Perhaps the purpose of MMY's actions is to break apart such expectations. And thus he is helping you and many others to break boundaries. Or perhaps he is clinically "ill". But then jokes are not in order. Thats a serious clinical diagnosis, a "valid" judgement that could be the basis of personal decisions and actions -- that is, taking actions to have him formally diagnosed and perhaps "committed" if he presents a danger too society. Thats not a joking matter. But hey, I know both Uncs and your comments were jokes. I can just laugh. But they are helpful to me in tracing throught this odd little thread in all of our lives called "expectations". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
