--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > categorically deny that these states of consciousness are > > > > > > > > > possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM > > > > > > > > > practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in > > > > > > > > > laya during meditation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining > > > > > > > hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of > > > > > > > meditation without a little reconciliation of position. > > > > > > > Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are > > > > > > > saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are > > > > > > > arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice > > > > > > > and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good > > > > > > > (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get > > > > > > > together on something larger? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists > > > > > > and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that > > > > > > meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be > > > > > > practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public > > > > > > policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? > > > > > It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West > > > > > marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's > > > > experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and > > > > minds of the meditation market. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking > > > spiritually. > > > > > > > Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people > > could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another > > spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in > > meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends > > Service Committee (Quakers). > > > > I don't think the hot-heads are ready to get together on anything > from either camp. The essential meditation doctrine of both camps > would > not allow for it.
Om Sweet Jesus, could we not get the antagonists at least to stop shooting at each other? Agree to a ceasefire? Though possibly it could come together dispassionately with the scientists of the camps. Dr. Daniel Siegel (UCLA) on the one hand and Dr. John Hagelin (MUM) on the other are peers of each other in either extreme. They are the equivalent in so many ways of each other in either camp. Both are on Youtube, have written books, published scientific research, are spokespeople, extremely smart, highly educated, extremely spiritual. They are nearly twins. They should meet in between. A peace should be found. > > Take a look at Daniel Siegel on a TED talk: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7wEr8AnHw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' > > > > > > > > > pronounced > > > > > > > > > by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a > > > > > > > > > in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a > > > > > > > > > cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, > > > > > > > > 'bull-shit'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
