> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible > > > > > for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't > > > > > go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation.> > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands > > > over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a > > > little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like > > > Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the > > > ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in > > > practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good > > > (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on > > > something larger? > > > > > > > > > > It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and > > ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is > > good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should > > be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good > > reasons of neurophysiology. > > > > > > Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been > going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing > meditation in the meditation market-place. > >
It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. > > > > > > > > Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced > > > > > by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in > > > > > cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) > > > > > has a somewhat specialiced meaning: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, > > > > 'bull-shit'? > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg > > > > >
