On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:51 PM, sparaig wrote:

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> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote:
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>> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
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>>> One is technically a fabrication, the other is purely spontaneous. That's 
>>> actually a HUGE difference, no?
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>> And in my experience, and most others I have talked to, one doesn't "attain" 
>> even the "flavor" of a sutra through effort. 
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> To clarify, siddhis attainment is spontaneous, even during sutra practice.

No - all siddhi practice require some effort.


Otherwise there would never be siddhi.


> In fact, I'd say you could make a case that they are more spontaneous than if 
> you decided to perform one outside sutra practice.

That's still a fabricated-spontaneity.


Fabricated spontaneity is still fabricated.

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