Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.
Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend. I saw you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you professionally and personally. I watched you decide to stand up "by yourself" and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a "sin resolution," or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as "devious" or "deceptive" or the like - not in this case, at least. I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor. I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself. I read your post after Ravi was dismissed. I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect reflection of Robin's post, IMO. Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and given its length). We all have that right and no one should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is interpreted. That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time. My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was "in complete control" and also "that he couldn't help it." The reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he is a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold. I understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily. I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe. For those who assume that I have "switched sides" - I was never on a "side." I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them. It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc. Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung by a beautiful voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M ________________________________ From: curtisdeltablues <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts -- In [email protected], obbajeeba <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : ) > Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by > his tech savy talents using your name and the "P," word is absolutely > preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you. Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that ended in the factual statement I made. > He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is > all he was doing. I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term. If > you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google? All of their > search results are data mined. I know this too. Do me a favor. Don't ever "play" with me. We have different standards of fun. So was Barry playing with you or was he being sadistic as charged? That might help me clarify your standards better. I'll CC the president on in my Google letter and I'm sure it will get cleared up immediately. They have a lot of time to spend on such requests and take them all seriously with all the research back up needed to sort out these issues for free. (now who is playing?)(on re-read perhaps I had slid into dickish territory.) > If I wrote the word, "p<snip>," here, this too, would come up in a search. > This is for educational purposes only and not meant to bring "harm," to this > man who refers to himself as a user name c<snip> or to the other person who > refers to the man mentioned in this post. Now you are being a bit of an asshole. Did you really have to pair my name with that word in the same paragraph to make your point? If you repeat this association as many times as he did, then we have a problem. > > If and when I have the need, if I could hire a software engineer, I would > hire R <snip> and have complete trust in him. > In fact, I already put him in touch with some really awesome folks in the > tech/creative fields who do a little more than work at a local level, let's > say at the world level to be honest. > There is not a worry to how Ravi functions in his professional career, and > this branding the letter A, by some on this board, will not stop me from > giving Ravi's name to my peep's in an honorable way. > In fact, because of all this crapola, I felt it my duty to help Ravi. OK so we differ in our perspective on the guy and whether or not the term "crappola" covers it accurately. The dude had more chances here than any other poster I have seen blow through here. This is all on him IMO. > > A note to Ravi: > Ravi, you have a great time next month, they are awesome people. > "Enjoy the show, too." > > > Curtis, I am sure you are a nice man too. Please do not take this as trying > to slam you.> I don't. You are sticking up for what's his name, your perfect right. I stuck up for him more than once here before he went off the rails. I've seen his charming hapless side. I've also seen another side that I hope to never see again. < I enjoy reading your posts. You are awesome too and maybe one day I will meet you at one of the schools in your area with another project that helps support music programs at schools.> Very nice of you to say. Music programs are really valuable so good luck with your efforts in that area. > > Love, > Obbajeeba Where have I seen that sign off before... > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > I thought Buck was doing his usual schtick on this post. If it was serious > > then I have no problem with a request from him to use what I thought was a > > schtick name that he uses when putting us on. If it is an attempt to put > > distance between himself and his real name a request is all that is needed > > for me. > > > > The reason I always used the other one was because I considered that > > connected to the guy I used to have friendly conversations with here as his > > genuine self. The schtick routine has given me some difficulty > > understanding where he is coming from. He was one of the people who stuck > > up for limits on abuse from you know who, which I really appreciate. So if > > that is what you want Buck, that is your name from now on. > > > > Speaking of that matter...I just reached the top 10 in Google for my name > > and the P word this week. First search page. As soon as he realized he > > had a hot button that could actually hurt me, he used his tech savvy to > > flood the search engines pairing my name with this word even in posts that > > I had nothing to do with. The tip off was his monitoring of results on > > youtube. He knew exactly what he was doing. > > > > I wont list all the people who stuck up for me, but you all know who you > > are and I really appreciate your kindness. The day he left was going to be > > my last day here. Now the damage is done and I can only hope it will not > > have its intended malicious effect. I am a sadder but wiser poster here > > having been through that. > > > > Word to the wise: People can say almost anything here about you with > > little lasting consequences. But when someone is repeating a phrase, again > > and again, it can hurt you and you need to act fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been > > > > > > deleted? Would you like me to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Moderator, Alex Jong-il, dealt deftly with that situation, and > > > > > order was restored in the Universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > > FFL Owner and List Moderators, > > > > Seeking an equal justice under the FFL guidelines > > > > please unsubscribe Turqb, Curtis and Wayback > > > > from FFL > > > > for repeatedly assertin and using my real handle on this list > > > > in addressing replies to my posting here. > > > > You and me know how dangerous this can be > > > > in real life here. > > > > Please respect my anonymity and unsubscribe > > > > these perps. In light of Ravi's final departure, > > > > this would equally fair. > > > > It is really low what they do. > > > > > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > It's Buck to you, damit. > > > > > > > > > > Buck, when it comes to anonymity, I'm a traditionalist. As far as I'm > > > concerned, if you have used your real name here in the past, you are not > > > anonymous, end of story. IMO, Rick opened up a whole can of stupid when > > > he decided that Vaj could have his anonymity "restored", even though he > > > has posted here in the past under his real name. Non-anonymous people who > > > decide they want to be regarded as anonymous need to take it up with > > > Rick, because that is ridiculous dumbassery that I will have no part of. > > > > > > With respect to shukra69, although he didn't use his real name on FFL, he > > > did attach his real name to that moniker on another site; strictly > > > speaking, that means he was never anonymous to begin with. But, I have a > > > lot more sympathy for him than I do for someone who wants his anonymity > > > "restored" after openly posting here with his real name. > > > > > > To be truly anonymous, you need to do what Nabby does: use a moniker that > > > he has in absolutely no way publicly linked with his real name. IMO, > > > unless you do that, you have no reasonable expectation to be regarded as > > > anonymous. > > > > > >
