From: " [FairfieldLife]" <>

    Barry,Humans are limited and conditioned beings.  Enlightened beings who 
have understood Being have to show the rest of us in concrete words and deeds 
the experience of the unified field.  

Prove to me that there is or ever has been such a thing as an "enlightened 
being." I'll wait. 

The thing is, John, you can't do it. You believe in "enlightenment" for the 
same reason you believe that these works of fiction are "wisdom books," because 
someone you chose to believe TOLD YOU. That does *NOT* constitute proof. 

Me, I believe that the subjective experience that some call enlightenment 
exists. I believe this because I've experienced it for weeks and months at a 
time. But *having experienced it*, I can say that it was JUST ANOTHER 
EXPERIENCE. It did *not* make me "special," and it doesn 't make anyone *else* 
"special," either. It doesn't make anything they say any more accurate or 
cosmic or correct or valuable, any more than a profound drug-induced or 
psychosis-induced subjective experience does.
You don't want to believe this because you have invested decades of your life 
pursuing practices that you believe will make you "special." And after all 
these decades you are really *desperate* to be "special." My advice is to 
relax, because it is never going to happen. Even if you have experiences that 
convince you that you're "enlightened," no one (except the gullible idiots on 
the Batgap Forum) will treat you any differently, no one will think you're 
"wise," and no one will be any more impressed by you than they ever have been. 

And if you write a book based on your experiences, it definitely won't be a 
"wisdom book." :-)

Philosophy and its fancy words and ideas, for me, do not convey the real 
So, you would have to use discretion in concluding that the world's wisdom 
books are fiction.  A person, who makes criticisms and conclusions without 
reasonable and logical basis, is a fool.

You are welcome to believe whatever you want. Personally, I think that anyone 
who actually believes that these books full of line after line after line of 
some guy telling other people who it is permissible for them to go out and kill 
because they believe differently than he does is more than a little bit of a 
The Harry Potter books not only contain more "wisdom" than the Bhagavad-Gita, 
Old Testament, and New Testament combined, they're much better written. If you 
quote them to make a point, I might actually listen.  :-) 

---In, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

I really hate to be the person to have to explain this to you, JR, but the 
Bhagavad-Gita, the Old Testament, and the New Testament are all FICTION. You 
don't "win" philosophical discussions by invoking them, any more than if you 
had invoked the Harry Potter books.    

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Yes, IMO consciousness is alive.  The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna 
asked Krishna to show his true self.  And, Krishna showed a vision of  infinite 
types of beings to disclose who He is.
On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the "I AM Who AM".
However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of 
Consciousness in a human form.
---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive?Hmmm, 
or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive?

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe.  If you 
believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you 
would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development.  This 
is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist.
Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type 
ofbeings--more likely humans or biological entities.  I can see how a 
non-biological intelligence could be an advantage.   For example, robots can 
direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating 
and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached.
In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take 
human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way.  When an 
earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate 
the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the 
new world.
But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions 
would be different.

---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly 
appreciate the concluding remarks:So, how do weprepare for something we know so 
little about? We do so "by continuingto do good science, but also by realizing 
that science is notmetaphysically neutral," concluded the conference host 
Steven Dick.He added: "We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions 
about the nature of life and intelligence."

 Read more at:
  From: salyavin808 <>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence

---In, <jr_esq@...> wrote :

A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the 
cosmos.  Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in 
their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human 
beings.  It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the 
human mind through mental telepathy
I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at 
scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably 
chief among them.
  This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement.
Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used 
telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very 
sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental 
particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need 
to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are 
actually entangled or not.
Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement 
experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus 
destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know 
about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined 
before they are separated by some deeperprinciple we don't yet undertsand.
If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our 
perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that 
doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though 
whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. 
One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use 
it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out 
and I have to fork out for a new one...

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