--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >(below: Peter says E not "caused" by a physiological state. ) I don't believe various groups of people are saying that. They are saying "correlation", not cause. We can point to at least 3 known groups of people whose supporting researchers operate on the hypothesis of correlation: 1. Academics - East and West Coast, going all the way back to Dr. R.K. Wallace's "Physiology of Meditation" in Scientific American. Numerous people followed up with the physiological testing of "trained" meditators; in attempting to find out what exactly, are the correlates to meditative states and how such states differ from ordinary waking. Lately, Dr. Herbert Benson has expanded his research into studying the effectiveness of prayer (a different topic, for FWIW, his studies revealed a slight negative correlation: the patients being prayed for (in the group told about it), faired slightly worse than the other two groups. A second body of researchers testing the physiological correlation hypothesis is of course MUM; and apart from some "fudging" that we might expect on any statistics coming from MUM; I think (IMO) that there's a sufficiently large body of statistics from all combined souurces to support MMY's statement that "for every state of Consciousness, there's a corresponding physiological state". Note that MMY never said "caused". This could be a chicken and egg question. A third group of people are Tibetan monks in various sects, who have been urged by the Dalai Lama to participate in studies investigating the connection between states of Consciousness in experienced meditators, and corresponding physiological states. The fact that an Enlightened person can jump up and down and yell demonstrates nothing at all; since he/she may have passed through the correlative states accompanying CC, GC, and UC, before BC.; and only shows that the person is sufficiently integrated so that she can particupate in intense physical activities without any loss of integration. One of the problems in testing the hypothesis (ref to MMY's statement incorporating the word "corresponding" - i.e. a correlation) is that there may not be enough E'd people around to satisfy academic demands for what's reasonable in terms of statistics. Surely, just a few people would be insufficient. Now, in regard to those people either a. claiming that physiology is totally irrelevant, or b. just ignoring physiology altogether; we could easily point to the Neo-Advaitins and their founders: Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj, HWL Poonja, Gangaji, etc; but although Adi Da might be considered a Neo-Advaitin, he definitely supports the practice of various sadhanas designed to purify the body, and on many occasions, he uses expressions using the terms "bodily purification". Perhaps somebody more familiar with Ken Wilber can bring up some of his statements regarding this - the question of any physiological correlate to states of Consciousness. > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 6/27/06 4:52 PM, Peter at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > There is no physiological component to > > enlightenment. > > > Any physiological component has to do with mental > > > conditions. "Restful Alertness" is a condition of > > mind > > > neither closer nor further away from pure > > > consciousness than any other physiological state. > > > > > But still, enlightenment has an experiential > > component. The perceptual > > apparatus, intellect, emotions, etc., are > > functioning differently. There > > must be a physiological or neurological correlate to > > this. Maybe not restful > > alertness, but something. > > I agree to a point, but there is no causal > relationship between brain functioning and > Realization. Brain functioning does not and can not > "give rise" to pure consciousness. "It" is > supportless. In many post people seem to imply that > Realization is somehow created or supported by a > particular type of brain functioning. Ain't so Joe! > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
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