Man...."qntmpkt", that handle is worse than mine. OffWorld
--- In [email protected], "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---To JIM and other Fairfield "Lifers" (funny - when I was in the > Army in 1968 the term "Lifer" was the most derogatory name one could > think of). At any rate, in answer to your question, Jim, as to where > Vaj got such weird notions, his source is his Guru, Chogyal Namkhai > Norbu. I have his recent book in which Norbu discusses these same > topics (not mentioning TM specifically, but rather silent sitting > meditation, which he calls "dualist".). OTOH Norbu's techniques are > equally if not more dualist on the surface, for example: he promotes > the Song of Vajra, sung or listened to while the aspirant is dancing > on a mandala. Norbu claims to have received this as a "terma" > (secret knowledge transmitted from bygone Sages). What Norbu > overlooks is the physiological component to Enlightenment. Basically, > when the body attains a state of restful alertness, it gets closer to > Unity. We can turn the tables on Vaj. Norbu's Vajra song and dance > disallows the body/mind from diving deeper into a physiological state > conducive toward Transcendence. > Don't get me wrong. Norbu is one of my Gurus. I'm a Buddhist, but > he has NOTHING that can compare to TM!. I will be quoting selected > passages from the works of Norbu. > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > >> Because we should realize and make the connection that > > *dualistic > > > >> methods lead to dualistic states of consciousness* (e.g. the > > > >> witnessing artifact, which is an artifact of a dualistic > > > >> meditation method). > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right. However both the dualistic nature of > this > > meditation [TM] and the witnessing artifact are indicators of the > > state of consciousness of the practitioner at an intermediate stage > > of the practice, vs. the solely dualistic nature of TM. > > > > TM is initially and necessarily experienced as meditation of a > > dualistic nature because its practice subjects the active mind to > > its silent source. As the practice matures, the active mind and > > silent source exist simultaneously, dissolving the dualistic nature > > of both the experience and the meditation. > > > > Did you hear that TM is a dualistic meditation from someone? If so, > > I'd be curious to know who. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
