--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> Vaj, once again you simply don't know what you're
> talking about.  There's nothing in what you quote
> that contradicts anything Lawson and I have been
> saying.

P.S.:  I'm pretty sure even Curtis knows you're
blowing smoke.  Let's see if he has the integrity
to say so.  I'm betting he doesn't.



> 
> > Let's clarify by referring to Mahesh's own (unpublished) 
> translation  
> > of the YS of Patanjali and how he *clearly 
defines* "transcending. 
> In  
> > his translation, MMB defines it thusly:
> > 
> > "Yoga is bringing *transcending* to the activity of the mind." 
> This  
> > is Mahesh's translation of YS I:2.
> > 
> > Now let's look at the original language of the Ved: Sanskrit, 
the  
> > language of nature, and see what it says.
> > 
> > "yogah chitta vrtti nirodhah"
> > 
> > "yogah" in this sutra can be translated as "yoga (is)".
> > 
> > chiita- means "of the mind field".
> > 
> > vrtti means fluctuations, modifications, activity.
> > 
> > nirodhah means the stopping or controlling of vrttis. In other 
> word  
> > it means "transcending". Notice this does not mean "starting  
> > mentation again".
> > 
> > Note in this definition there is no mention of an outward stroke. 
> In  
> > fact the word for outward stroke, "vyutthana", is not even 
> mentioned.  
> > If we want to go further into this and describe clearly how the  
> > outward stroke means "failure" (to transcend continuously) all 
we  
> > need to do is look closer at this word. It is quite precise in 
> yogic  
> > parlance.
> > 
> > May the force of real transcending be with you!
> >
>







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