--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>

Vaj, once again you simply don't know what you're
talking about.  There's nothing in what you quote
that contradicts anything Lawson and I have been
saying.

> Let's clarify by referring to Mahesh's own (unpublished) 
translation  
> of the YS of Patanjali and how he *clearly defines* "transcending. 
In  
> his translation, MMB defines it thusly:
> 
> "Yoga is bringing *transcending* to the activity of the mind." 
This  
> is Mahesh's translation of YS I:2.
> 
> Now let's look at the original language of the Ved: Sanskrit, the  
> language of nature, and see what it says.
> 
> "yogah chitta vrtti nirodhah"
> 
> "yogah" in this sutra can be translated as "yoga (is)".
> 
> chiita- means "of the mind field".
> 
> vrtti means fluctuations, modifications, activity.
> 
> nirodhah means the stopping or controlling of vrttis. In other 
word  
> it means "transcending". Notice this does not mean "starting  
> mentation again".
> 
> Note in this definition there is no mention of an outward stroke. 
In  
> fact the word for outward stroke, "vyutthana", is not even 
mentioned.  
> If we want to go further into this and describe clearly how the  
> outward stroke means "failure" (to transcend continuously) all we  
> need to do is look closer at this word. It is quite precise in 
yogic  
> parlance.
> 
> May the force of real transcending be with you!
>






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