I'll go through this one last time just out of a sense of completeness, even though I know that you won't hear a word of it.
> > In this particular case, you seem to have heard and > > chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT > > DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing > > to believe that many others here haven't, either. > > See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY > was staying with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted > a picture of GD after having the vision. MMY is shown in the > history book with this particular picture, its on page 53. Cool. So now you've clarified where you heard the story, and that it's at best third-party hearsay. That's cool. Whatever floats your boat. Believe anything you want. I don't have any problems with you believing this story or any other. Believe what you want. > That you didn't hear it is not my fault. The thing you don't seem to understand, Michael, is that I almost certainly wouldn't have believed it if I had heard it, and directly from Maharishi himself, *during* the time that I was one of his teachers. I probably wouldn't have disbelieved it, either. I would have just written it off as one of those things you hear from time to time and have no way of determining the truth of, so why bother thinking about it much at all. > What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here > on the list, to only repeat movement dogma You can repeat any hearsay you want to here, Michael. Just don't expect people to automat- ically believe it the way you seem to. > (PS caps are considered shouting and impolite) But it's an improvement over "Fuck off and die," right? I put things in caps with you because you don't seem to actually read them otherwise. :-) > > You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because > > you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose > > to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. > > I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. > Seems to really upset you. No, it means nothing to me whatsoever. As I said, if at the height of my belief in TM and loyalty to the TM movement Maharishi had sat me down right in front of him and told me this same story, I would have listened politely, nodded, and then left and never thought about the story one way or another again. That's just the kinda guy I am. In contrast, based on your posts over the years, you strike me as the kind of person who will believe any damned thing that someone he has chosen to believe about other things tells him. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. <snip> > > We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to > > convince you of anything. That's just how you *interpret* > > hearing ideas other than your own, as if the person who > > has those other ideas is trying to convince you of them. > > They're not. You're just being a paranoid cultist, > > that's all. :-) > > So, Barry, you are really a nice guy. I'm sure you're one, too, when you're not feeling that the fact that other people don't believe the same things you do means that they're trying to convince you to believe what they believe. :-) > Isn't this forum open to all for public discussion? > Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying: > 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice > american idiom. Contrary to what Judy told you, it really *is* a fairly innocuous American idiom. I explained what I meant by it -- I was dismissing you, writing you off completely, telling you to go away and argue with someone who takes you seriously, because I do not. I said so again in my last post, in nicer words, and you didn't get it then, either. <snip> > And because I believe something a friend tells me from > an eyewitness, I am a cultist, and paranoid at that. See what I mean about not getting it? What makes you a paranoid cultist is the fact that *you* are upset because I just didn't automatically buy your story as true when you said it. And the fact that you believe that I am trying to convince you to believe what I believe. I am not. That's just *you* being threatened by someone else's belief system, that's all. I will now make myself as clear as I possibly can. I have no interest in future discussions with you, ever, because YOU DON'T LISTEN, and because YOU GET ALL PARANOID AND DEFENSIVE when you encounter a belief system that is different from yours. It's YOU who tries to convince others to believe what he believes. You did it with me by trying to impress me with a silly third-hand story, and you're doing it with Paul by playing oneupsmanship "scripture games" with him about the caste system. I have zero interest in having conversations with people who seem only interested in evangelizing their own beliefs. That's YOU, dude. So I plan to ignore you from here on out. Get it? If you want it in stronger language, language even *you* might be able to understand, Fuck off and die. And yes, if you want, you can interpret that as mean- ing that I don't really care whether you live or die. You're just not that important to me, one way or another. I wish you well in your life, and hope that you continue to believe *exactly* what you choose to believe. I have *no interest* in convincing you to believe anything else. Never have, never will. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
