--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Isn't this forum open to all for public discussion? > > > > Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying: > > > > 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice > > > > american idiom. > > > > > > Contrary to what Judy told you, it really *is* a > > > fairly innocuous American idiom. > > > > You really do the culture here an injustice by your statement > > above. No one I've ever known uses such a statement like this > > innocuously. > > You live in a very protected neighborhood then. :-) > > Working on Wall St. in New York, in offices filled > with well-educated stockbrokers, traders, and pro- > grammers, I would estimate that I heard this phrase > a dozen times a day. That's where I developed a > liking for it (along with "Go figure."). It conveys > the idea of "go away and stop wasting my time and > yours" better than almost any other, and with a > remarkable economy of language. In the offices > I worked in (Citibank and Salomon Brothers), many > people turned it into an acronym (FOAD) and wrote > it out on little signs so that they could hold up > the sign and tell someone to go away without even > having to pause their phone conversations to do so. :-) > > > Anyone I know, myself included would be very offended by > > the use of such a term directed at them. > > Maybe you need a period of time in New York to work > out that fear of language thang, eh? That IS what > we're talking about, right? You give certain words > power over you, to the point that you're even afraid > to spell out the first word in phrase while complaining > about it here. > > > The reason I bring this up is that the US has enough > > problems these days without those who are not American > > being told that 'f off and die' is something bantered > > about in common conversation. > > You'd prefer that they be told lies about America? > Perhaps you should go to work for the While House. :-) > > This phrase may not be common everywhere, but it > certainly has been in several places I've lived. I > won't say otherwise just because you want people > to beleive that America is a better place than it > really is. > > Not everyone is afraid of words, Jim. Interestingly, > I've found that those who believe in the "magic beans" > theory of mantras often also believe that certain > common curse words are "dirty" or inappropriate. I > don't believe in either theory, so I'll use language > as I please, thanks. > > It WASN'T polite, but with regard to Michael, I think > it was necessary for him to get the point that I really > DON'T have any interest in conversing with him in the > future. Every few months he pops up and tries to get > me involved in his attempts to prove his beliefs "right" > and mine "wrong." I just don't care about that shit, > and in the past (long before FFL) when I've tried to > tell him that he Just Doesn't Get It, and tends to > consider my attempts to tell him that I have no > interest in arguing with him as invitation to argue > more. He's a lot like another poster here in that > respect. > > Finally I figured out that *he* is terrified of certain > strong words, too, and goes away rather than hear them. > Since that was the whole idea, telling him to Fuck off > and die seemed faster and more preferable to saying over > and over and over and over and over and over, "I'm not > interested in arguing with you," and having him respond > by renewing his arguments over and over and over and... > > If only I could find a phrase that worked with Judy... >
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