" Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable beyond doubt by > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not merely an altered > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if it makes you happy."
So what term would you prefer to represent our own point of view on these states? I didn't know that there was any universal scientific consensus on the terms yet. I think in this area of very new science there is a lot of room for differences of opinions on what these states mean or what we should call them. Margret was viewing it from her clinical experiences with ex TMers. That was her opinion. I am comfortable referring to them as trance states because I think they are hypnotically induced. That is my conclusion from my own experience with TM and hypnosis training in the style of Milton Erickson whose expertise I respected. My position is no more characterized as "anti stuff" then your point of view is. We are both doing the best we can to interpret our experiences honestly, right? It is my best understanding of the experience. I respect that this is not how you view it. --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > "> Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? > > > > > > > I think he would be running a small group and the miracles marketing > > hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. His description in > > the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me of other leaders I > > have seen working their mojo today. > > > > > I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret > > Singer, complaining > > > about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose > > depersonalization was so severe > > > that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... > > > > I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but did discuss her > > opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered state than people > > in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization problems and > > dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked with then she > > found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance states. If > > that is true then the batch that will emerge from the domes in a year > > of that massive immersion program should be like a scene from an old > > Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in formation proving > > MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of a pitch man guru. > > Which do you think is more likely? > > > > Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable beyond doubt by > Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced "pure consciousness" is not merely an altered > state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if it makes you happy. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
