A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it - surely a better option than putting a cat through such torture, not to mention complete personality change to being withdrawn, morose, or an unpredictable biter! Cat bites are more dangerous than scratches any time!
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors That is a good option....if the owner is able to trim nails and put SoftPaws on. A lot of elderly people don't have the physical dexterity or skills to trim nails. In fact, I have watched young people who could not master the task. On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Natalie wrote: > A good solution for a problem as you mentioned, is trimming claws > and using > "SoftPaws" - declawing an older cat can be even worse than for a > kitten at > times...the pain after surgery is supposed to be absolutely > excruciating - > cats either climb the walls in the recover cage or sit in the corner, > completely catatonic (according to Dr.Nicholas Dodman). > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors > > I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its > life.....for the safety of an elderly owner for example. That being > said, Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning > re furniture, there has been no problem. Dixie and Ebony kept theirs > too. Ebony caused some problems but, if I had known then what I know > now, I could have limited them. It takes a little work and patience, > planning and thinking. I would encourage anyone who wanted a declawed > cat to try and get one that has already been declawed. > On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote: > >> That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and >> how many >> cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many vets >> are to >> blame. Several people told me that after adopting from us, they >> went to >> their own vet, and after telling them that the cats will be kept >> indoors >> only, the vets said "Oh, you have an option to declaw!" Banfield >> Health. >> The group at Petsmart, offers a big special for "kitten health" - >> all the >> vaccines, exams, and declawing for a very good price! I wrote to >> them about >> declawing; they wrote back with the most ridiculous comments. If >> anyone >> would like to see their reply, I'll send it privately. Last year, I >> was >> informed that they will no longer cut ears and tails on dogs, >> because it's >> purely cosmetic...I wrote to them, asking their policy on declawing >> since >> they have made that big leap on no longer mutilating dogs, they >> might have >> reconsidered doing it to cats...no reply from them. >> O always ask people what they would prefer, a few things scratched >> up or >> urine-soaked carpets and furniture.....Besides, not all cats grow up >> to be >> scratchers...and providing good posts and trimming their nails works >> well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors >> >> >> Natalie, I am with you about the declawing. Someone I know adopted >> two >> kittens from me and one died on the table during a declaw surgery. >> Yes, I >> HAD told her before hand "NO declawing" but people don't listen and >> they >> always know best, yadda yadda :( Then they wonder why Buster is >> peeing on >> the bed and the floor because his paws hurt so badly from the >> surgery. SIGH >> :( >> >>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:55:49 -0400 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors >>> >>> Edna, that's exactly what I tell people about letting their cats >>> out just >>> because they want to. I ask them if they would allow their 3-yr old >>> to >> play >>> in the middle of the street just because he/she wanted to? When I >>> hear >> "but >>> the cat gets out", I tell them that they control the door, period! >>> Our >>> adoption contract stipulates "strictly indoors" - but, there's no >>> real way >>> of enforcing it except to spot check wherever the cats live and >>> hope that >>> adopters understand the reasons for it. I have removed several >>> adopted >> cats >>> over the past 18 years. A friend, who also has a cat rescue group, >>> doesn't >>> allow declawing (we don't either), came to her vet, and noticed one >>> of her >>> adopters picking up her cat after spaying....she looked into the >>> carrier >> and >>> noticed the poor kittens front paws bandaged.....she gave her an >>> earful, >> but >>> what was she to do, take the cat back and have this person declaw >>> yet >>> another one? Since then, we made it perfectly clear to that >>> veterinary >>> hospital that no cat that was adopted from us can be declawed, and >>> should >> a >>> customer ask for it, we must be notified immediately! Thank God >>> that my >>> other veterinarian would never declaw! >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edna >>> Taylor >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:40 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors >>> >>> >>> Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge >>> drink or >> do >>> drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it. The >>> same >>> reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean >>> it's good >>> for them. My cats may be "prisoners" in my house but I sleep well >>> at >> night >>> knowing they are loved and safe and from what I can tell, they are >>> pretty >>> freakin happy. I have picked up enough broken and battered bodies >>> off the >>> roadways to know that NONE of my cats or fosters will EVER be >>> allowed >>> outside unless it is in a safe enclosure or on a leash. >>> >>> There was a young "individual" (can't call him a man because real >>> men do >> not >>> torture animals) in Dallas that took his neighbor's inside/outside >>> cat and >>> over a course of several hours beat and tortured the cat and video >>> taped >> the >>> entire thing. THAT is what happens to outdoor cats. While some >>> may be >>> lucky enough to escape being tortured, hit by cars, eaten by >>> coyotes or >>> hawks or owls, most do not escape this fate. >>> >>> Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with "cats are wild animals and need to >>> live >>> outside" point of view. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> Edna >>> >>>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0400 >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors >>>> >>>> As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - >>>> I am >>>> responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I >>>> would >> do >>> no >>>> less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats >>>> that I >>>> rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be >>>> safe and >>>> happy for a long time. >>>> Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many >>>> and >> none >>>> are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for >>>> cats to >> be >>>> outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up, >>>> until >>> one >>>> of our kittens was killed by a car....Unfortunately, it takes many >> people >>> to >>>> understand this only after a tragedy occurs. When an adopter tells >>>> me >> that >>>> their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never left....and they >> intend >>>> to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO! Their old cat may >>>> have >>>> indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It >> takes >>>> ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and >>>> WHAM! >>>> Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a >>>> window, a >>>> window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and >>>> active. >>>> More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to >>>> really >>>> elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I don't >> believe >>>> that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, yes, but >> there's >>> no >>>> need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, not for food, but >>>> for >> fun >>>> and the reflex of chasing something (could be a toy). >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorrie >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors >>>> >>>> This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat >>>> are the main threat to birds. >>>> >>>> As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they >>>> have always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to >>>> 16 to 17 years of age unless they've had some genetic problem like >>>> heart disease. My cats were all rescues and they lived outside >>>> before I had them, and they are totally miserable inside. >>>> >>>> It's really only the last couple decades that cats have been living >>>> indoors, but the invention of cat litter and urban sprawl have made >>>> us think all cats have the perfect life indoors, when in reality, >>>> cats are happier if they can live outdoors. They are programmed to >>>> hunt small animals....which is the best nutrition for them. They >>>> need >>>> to climb trees, stalk at night with their night vision, and be >>>> free. >>>> Cats were not made for sitting in a window sill, and a prison is a >>>> prison no matter how many cat toys and kitty kondos we buy for >>>> them. >>>> >>>> It's true that some outdoor cats have a shorter life expectancy, >>>> but >>>> this mostly depends on where they live. If they live in a safe area >>>> with little or no traffic then I feel they should be allowed to be >>>> outside. There are some cats who will never willingly settle for >>>> the >>>> indoor life. We live in the middle of the woods on a dead end road >>>> with no traffic and our cats are allowed to go outside. I rarely >>>> see >>>> them catch a bird, but they catch many mice & moles. I feel sad to >>>> see anything killed, but cats and dogs are predators and this is >>>> what >>>> they were designed to do. >>>> >>>> Lorrie >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. 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