You're right, Natalie -- we COULD do better. But Dr. Grandin has the right idea. That's all I'm saying. Animals deserve our respect, no matter what the species. they are individuals, after all.
My husband will NEVER give up meat. We've talked about it. Won't happen. As for myself, I am very aware of what happens with a lot of animals in line for slaughter. Wouldn't it be wonderful if slaughter houses were REQUIRED to humanely handle the animals? There really is no excuse these days for this kind of cruel treatment -- not with what we know now about the minds of animals. You didn't upset me -- I completely understand why you feel the way you do. I don't buy fur or leather either whenever I can avoid it. If I can find what I need in a synthetic or plant based material, I'm good with that. T ----- Original Message ----- From: Natalie<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread: My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to veganism, was to become vegetarian himself. I looked at our dogs and cats, and wondered why I wouldn't wear their fur..so I gave away my lousy fur coat. Then I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, and thought, gee, chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most beautiful big expressive brown eyes, etc. - that spring, I went cold-turkey, along with my husband. When I was little, we used to live on a farm in Austria in the Alps over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a horse, a pig named Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for slaughter because she stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a goat slaughtered at the adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant memories flooded my mind. That was the easiest decision to make, but the worst time because being vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now. Just as much terror and abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, pig production as for beef, it just takes a different form. Unfortunately, I'm not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine.it could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter houses don't even use her methods.too expensive.they care only about the bottom line, no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, in transport, the "dead pile", and the methods of slaughter..Amen! From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately......because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Baronda<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so P----d that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >> You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >> Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >> older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. 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