Like I mentioned in my last e-mail - from what this vet told me, the IFA test 
is a confirmation of FeLV if it turns up positive so you wouldn't need a bone 
marrow aspirate.  Now if the IFA is negative now and you do another IFA later 
on and it's still negative then either the cat has exterminated the virus or 
has put it into dormancy.  When a cat has put the virus into dormancy both the 
ELISA and the IFA will be negative and only a bone marrow aspirate would tell 
if the virus is in dormancy.  I'm just going on what I'm reading and what that 
one vet is telling me.
Also, I read that many cats that put the virus into dormancy could extinguish 
the virus altogether years later
There is always a chance that the IFA can show a false positive, but 99% of the 
time it's right.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:59:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

Hi Marcia,
I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine 
where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have 
to be done.    It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was 
inactive on this list for quite some time.  I recently reactivated because I 
missed reading about the kitties.
His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind.  I 
think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings 
he may be just fine.  If you never read the book "Homer's Odyssey", you should. 
 That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted 
quite well.  Wonderful story.
I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat.  Or at 
least drastically cut down on the amount.  He'd eat beef every day if he had a 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Marcia Baronda 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where 
Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and 
said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish 
followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am 
a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. 
it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as 
dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end 
up getting scratched or bit. That's OK.
Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats 
today and continually growls at me(-;  I asked my vet about retesting him and 
she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after 
reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I 
am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. 
I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not 
feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has 
totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little 
guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do 
you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions??
Take care everyone

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown <> wrote:

I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.
I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately......because of the 
cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  It 
is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of 
cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.
My 2 cents.
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Marcia Baronda 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the 
road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so 
P----d that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I 
thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I 
got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are 
bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told 
them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on 
the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it 
happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is 
a crying shame.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 <> wrote:

I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
animals for several years now.

Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!

She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!


Tee hee.

Wonder what I'll be like at 80?


On 8/23/11, Lorrie <> wrote:
> On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
>>    You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
>>    Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
>>    older, there ARE perks.
> Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
> I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
> if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
> Lorrie
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