I THINK THEY GIVE UP BECAUSE IT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO TREAT IT. ALSO, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE AND HEARTACHE OF TREATMENT. GLAD HE IS GETTING BACK TO NORMAL, THE COST OF TOILET PAPER IS WORTH IT.
---- Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > Isn’t it exciting when they go back to doing something like grooming, or > playing a bit! So happy that the fever is down to manageable levels – I’m > sure he feels so much better! Our Tigger opens cupboard doors, shreds toilet > paper when the bathroom door is left open etc. I was so happy after he > started opening doors and biting the toilet tissue again! He is able to get > up on our bed and safely back down now, so he is claiming his spot in bed > again. We love him so much. We had found him as a tiny kitten and thought he > was starving. He tested negative for FeLV at that time and now five years > later, after being an indoor-only cat and with one other negative cat, he has > the virus. The vet said he must have had it when we found him and the test > was done during a period of him shedding the virus. I didn’t know tests have > to be repeated in order to be sure. We would have kept him anyway, but why > test when the test is inaccurate, and they also told me the vaccination is > not always effective. They told us he didn’t need to be vaccinated if he was > indoor-only. I just vets would TRY to treat FeLV rather than giving up and > euthanizing – give them a chance! > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maya > D'Alessio > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Thanks Ardy. He just was grooming for about a minute, so that was exciting! > I've been cleaning him off (especially after the feedings) as he makes a lot > of mess. > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Ardy Robertson <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello Maya, > > Just a note on your comment that your cat is not grooming himself. Our Tigger > had a high fever – 105.8 and possibly higher before that – and was not > grooming. I feel that the sub-cutaneous fluids helped the fever. They did > that every day for a while, and I also gave small amounts of water by > syringe. I used a wet wash cloth and did his grooming for him during that > time, and believe it or not, I think he enjoyed being wiped down, he just > wasn’t able to do it for himself. Best wishes with your cat. > > Ardy Robertson > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:08 PM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Thank you Amani, I really, really appreciate the support. I will agree with > you that I do see the negative aspect of outlook from vets. With my last cat, > I was less informed, and agreed with everything the vets were suggesting, > including euthanization, as I was told she would just die slowly otherwise. > Maybe her outlook could have been improved with some time and TLC. I feel a > bit better with your 1 month time line, I was worried about a time line of > days. Have your cats continued with fevers for that long? I am really > concerned about how soon we should expect the fever to turn around. I think > once his fever gets better he has a much better chance of regaining his > appetite. > > > > I have been syringe feeding the AD food (I think it's science diet), we are > trying to get 1 can in to him every day. I know he's not extremely > comfortable right now, but he has been a bit more active in the last day. > He's not grooming at all though. > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Maya, I will send you a private email with my vet’s name and phone number. > > > > Regarding the intake of food, you need to support him while he fights this > thing. I don’t think anyone can give you a hard and fast time frame regarding > when to stop, but I will do my utmost to give my cats every chance. I usually > can get sufficient baby food into them via syringe if necessary, for an > extended period of time usually. I continue as long as I see that it is > helping to allow him to live to fight another day. With something like > leukemia, when they crash, you really should expect at least a month of > convalescence and reduced appetite, while hopefully other things like the > Winstrol start to increase his blood counts. He needs to keep eating while > his blood counts go up, and you need to give him the time to recover. > > > > I know that other people have a very different view, and I have learned that > people really are of two minds on this. I think it is a personal decision, > but for me, I don’t give up unless I see there is no hope, and I don’t give > up well after my vets are ready to throw in the towel. Thankfully, my vets > know me well enough and trust me enough now, to let me work as hard as I can > to save my cats. They provide support and help and advice, and have been > wonderful enough to admit when I am successful when they had predicted > nothing but failure. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio > Sent: October-20-15 1:56 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) > > > > Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and I > will pass it along to my vet immediately. > > > > He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever and > won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's > currently on doxy, prednisolone and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and > they gave him an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think). > > > > Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better than > yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How long is > this feasible? How long should I let it go if we don't see improvement? How > do you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated so rapidly and it > was so dire that it was a pretty straight forward call. > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Maya, > > Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you that > will help your cat?? > > Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will send you > some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since the mind-set > you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our cats are dying > and there are few realistic alternatives. > > Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of Winstrol > specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up strength and > improving appetite. > > Here is the first - very generic. > > > http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol > > Amani > > P.S. - I also noticed you are not far from me. My vet is in Etobicoke, in the > outskirts of Toronto. Perhaps your vet should call my vet? > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD student > > B1 377B, x32320 > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > > GSA Director At-Large > > University of Waterloo > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD student > > B1 377B, x32320 > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > > GSA Director At-Large > > University of Waterloo > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD student > > B1 377B, x32320 > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > > GSA Director At-Large > > University of Waterloo > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
