Times like this I would like to be able to just slug them without suffering the 
Maybe they should get their ears washed out and their minds opened up.

---- Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Totally irate. It was just so clear that they weren't prepared to look at 
> Winstrol in a new light - even with me holding a stack of serial weekly lab 
> results in my hand. 
> Amani
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: November-04-17 7:43 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in 
> the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander 
> down.........ardy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> Hi Ken
> I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical 
> evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which 
> gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) 
> and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, 
> there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies 
> looking into the effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between 
> (though I have found a few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained 
> to me that once a drug is off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies 
> can make very little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set 
> up clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are still 
> covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of those other drugs.
> The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
> of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
> on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which 
> in turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from 
> the activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very 
> mild side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also 
> found to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak 
> about steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and 
> safest of the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use 
> them at hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they 
> "stack" them will all sorts of other steroids).
> I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
> own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they 
> will often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. 
> As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke 
> with that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best 
> to put him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results 
> weekly which showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to 
> normal results, at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well 
> maybe it was never FeLV in the first place".
> I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
> good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having 
> little or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I 
> have mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in 
> combination with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on 
> in circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
> problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 
> 16 year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe 
> facial swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was 
> a cat who came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV 
> rampaging through it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY 
> ill with a sky-high fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she 
> survived when I thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me 
> now); I have used it to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his 
> cruciate ligament; and am I currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion 
> in Pippin - a three-year old who gets flair-ups of neurological problems 
> which I tracked to a spinal lesion, and when the lesion causes swelling, 
> etc., the symptoms reappear. The combination of prednisone and Winstrol 
> appears to be the only thing that reverses the effects of the lesion. 
> I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to 
> it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've 
> heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so 
> I am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that 
> FeLV is now thought to be caused by at least four or five different types or 
> strains of virus, and I believe that this is the reason that some people get 
> amazing results and some people see nothing.
> Hopefully, Marlene will get a good response, and it is very heartening to 
> hear that in Italy, the drug is commonly used to treat FeLV cats. It was 
> commonly used in North America as well, in the '80's and '90's, until the 
> stupid doping scandals (especially Ben Johnson's Olympic gold medal being 
> stripped) shone an ugly spotlight on it.
> Amani
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> kresch...@mchsi.com
> Sent: November-02-17 10:19 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> Good Morningh all--
> I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding 
> Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic 
> Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he 
> perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count 
> bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you 
> at that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats 
> that may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began 
> with Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links 
> and email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start 
> her research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in 
> our area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present 
> the information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest 
> and hope.
> Ken
> ---- marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> > Dear all,
> > Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
> > found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
> > myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
> > What is better, pills or injections? 
> > I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic 
> > for the liver compared to the injectable one .
> > I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon 
> > just to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
> > 
> > Thanks all for your support.
> > Best
> > M&M
> > 
> > Inviato da iPhone
> > 
> > > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
> > > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto:
> > > 
> > > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based 
> > > on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> > > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
> > > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food 
> > > that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
> > > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
> > > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't 
> > > like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make 
> > > it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of 
> > > another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I 
> > > gave him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is 
> > > just shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a 
> > > grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our 
> > > kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is 
> > > also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene 
> > > because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from 
> > > replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
> > > 
> > > Ardy
> > > 
> > > ---- marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> > >> Dear All,
> > >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or 
> > >> a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a 
> > >> conclusive result). 
> > >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to 
> > >> have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is 
> > >> worth while.
> > >> 
> > >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have 
> > >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> > >> 
> > >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
> > >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to 
> > >> go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats 
> > >> had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + 
> > >> and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt 
> > >> about using doxycycline.
> > >> 
> > >> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be 
> > >> done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today 
> > >> he is not eating ... 
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks for your help 
> > >> Marlène  
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