Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander down.........ardy
-----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Hi Ken I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies looking into the effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between (though I have found a few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set up clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are still covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of those other drugs. The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which in turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from the activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very mild side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they "stack" them will all sorts of other steroids). I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they will often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke with that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best to put him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results weekly which showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it was never FeLV in the first place". I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having little or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I have mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in combination with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on in circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 16 year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe facial swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was a cat who came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV rampaging through it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY ill with a sky-high fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she survived when I thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me now); I have used it to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his cruciate ligament; and am I currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion in Pippin - a three-year old who gets flair-ups of neurological problems which I tracked to a spinal lesion, and when the lesion causes swelling, etc., the symptoms reappear. The combination of prednisone and Winstrol appears to be the only thing that reverses the effects of the lesion. I think the Winstrol is seriously underutilized and cats respond very well to it, in a number of circumstances. Obviously, it is not a cure-all, and we've heard from other folks who've tried it and gotten no appreciable results, so I am not suggesting it is a panacea by any means. Further, I understand that FeLV is now thought to be caused by at least four or five different types or strains of virus, and I believe that this is the reason that some people get amazing results and some people see nothing. Hopefully, Marlene will get a good response, and it is very heartening to hear that in Italy, the drug is commonly used to treat FeLV cats. It was commonly used in North America as well, in the '80's and '90's, until the stupid doping scandals (especially Ben Johnson's Olympic gold medal being stripped) shone an ugly spotlight on it. Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kresch...@mchsi.com Sent: November-02-17 10:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help Good Morningh all-- I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and hope. Ken ---- marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I > found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome > myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats. > What is better, pills or injections? > I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for > the liver compared to the injectable one . > I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just > to get a better opinion than the Belgian one. > > Thanks all for your support. > Best > M&M > > Inviato da iPhone > > > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson > > <ar...@centurytel.net> ha scritto: > > > > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on > > his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite > > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd > > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that > > they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't > > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and > > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like > > having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he > > had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another > > good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam > > juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful > > that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it > > because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to > > suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also important to > > combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has > > some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck > > with his treatment!! > > > > Ardy > > > > ---- marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, > >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a > >> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a > >> conclusive result). > >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have > >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth > >> while. > >> > >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have > >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat? > >> > >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in > >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go > >> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had > >> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and > >> also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about > >> using doxycycline. > >> > >> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, > >> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is > >> not eating ... > >> > >> Thanks for your help > >> Marlène _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
