On 01/03/2009 06:58 AM, James Turner wrote:

>   - everyone seems agreed that the GS is a 1.4 degree volume, so 0.7  
> degrees above and below the GS line. 

I concur.

> And the '0.35' degrees per dot  
> comes up, which basically implies 2 dots from the center line to the  
> 0.7 degree limit. 

Sorry, no.  Here's a counterexample:
  http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/11-05106.gif

> Referring back to the ICAO docs that John Denker  
> posted, and the Mk-VIII manual, which says 0.0875 DDM per dot on the  
> GS, and the ICAO docs say the GS 'sector' is 0.175, and the half- 
> sector is 0.0875.

Please let's not confuse ICAO (which is quite general) with
Mk-VIII (which is just one instrument).

> I.e two 'dots' would be the very edge of the sector (0.175 DDM). This  
> is important because the 'soft' alert limit is defined as 1.3 dots,  
> and the hard limit is 2 dots. Which again makes sense, and brings us  
> back to the fact that most high-end GS indicators (Primus, Honeywell/ 
> Boeing) use two dots either side for the indicator.

Please let's write code that works for all instruments, not
"most" instruments or "most high-end" instruments.

> Sooooo .... my inclination is to add the degrees deviation properties  
> as discussed, and to avoid 'dots' in the navradio code, 

Yes, dots are to be avoided.  Anything involving dots is
just begging to be misunderstood.

While we're on the subject:  It is good practice to spell
out what is meant by "full scale".  It could be either
center-to-side or side-to-side.  (I've made this mistake
myself :-)

Talking about 1.4 degrees "full sector" (peg to peg) seems 
reasonably convenient and unambiguous.  Also talking about 
an interval in the form [0 ± 0.7] is unambiguous.

> but to add - 
> ddm properties. 

DDM?  I can't imagine why anyone would want to mess with
that level of detail.  Deflection as a fraction of full
sector is all any Sim World instrument designer needs.
Maybe once in ten years somebody should check that the
full-sector width is what we think it is, but that's been
done now.

> Obviously I won't touch the existing 'deflection'  
> properties, but I hope over time they'll rot. 

I think they're just fine.  I don't see any need for
additional complexity.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

> For the Mk-VIII, I'll  
> convert to 'dots' using the terms defined in the INSTALL manual, which  
> of course match the ICAO 'half-sector' values exactly.

Since the deflection values are exact, why not use them?

> I'm not sure where all of this leaves Syd, or other panel designers.  
> Working in DDM seems a little awkward, 

Agreed, awkward and unnecessary.


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