Yes I would agree the sonic can be deeply intellectual but sometimes the intellectual (Frampton, Peter Rose’s linguistic pieces, and everyone’s text and voice) I don’t think of as being creatively sonic, unless one finds quotidian human voice to be so.
On May 16, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Francisco Torres <[email protected]> wrote: > By excellent I mean, complex, layered, inventive, of rich and nuanced > timbre….excellent for it’s sonic qualities (as opposed to strictly > intellectual qualities). > > In experimental cinema It seems impossible to separate those things. > Just consider- > One of the best uses of sound in cinema is Kubelka's Arnulf Rainer and yet it > seems the opposite of what the OP is looking for. > > 2016-05-16 15:45 GMT-04:00 <[email protected]>: > How about a lot of the work by the folks over at the Sensory Ethnography Lab, > especially those involving Ernst Karel? (Leviathan, Sweetgrass….) > > https://sel.fas.harvard.edu/index.html > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > From: robert harris [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:43 PM > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Exemplary Sound Design in AG Film > > > > Thanks for the response Fred. Somewhere in in the recesses of my mind I > thought of you when posting the question, a. because for decades I’ve > respected your insights, and b., because one of your most memorable posts > contained your statement (at least this is how I remember it…) that > Beethoven’s Grosse Fuge is a definitive avant garde work. A smile inducing > and welcome statement in the context of Frameworks. > > > > As to anonymity, community and the internet, I prefer my community to involve > warm bodies sharing tangible space. Not to say the I don’t appreciate > Frameworks, I do. And it’s fascinating and heartening to know that there are > disembodied consciousnesses out there that profess to care about something I > believe I care about. But this is no fun to type about abstractly. > > > > So, I’m Robert Harris. I live in greater Boston. I teach filmmaking (actual > 16mm bolex/arri filmmaking in addition to digital video that everyone seems > to think should be called film) at Fitchburg State University in central > Massachusetts. I used to be involved with Anthology Film Archives Video > Program in 70’s and 80’s. > > The program for which I’m planning a sound design component is the New York > State Summer School of the Arts. Its a program I’ve run for 25 years, having > inherited it from Gerald O’Grady. > > A few lurking frame workers have taught with me and/or been visiting artists. > Maybe even some former students out there. Tony Conrad taught in the program > under O’Grady. Sharits probably had a bit to do with the program moving to my > care. The program is for high school students. We teach 16mm film, digital > video, digital photo, computer animation, and electronic sound. Watching > healthy amounts of experimental film, from 16mm prints, has always been an > essential part of the program. > > > > So that’s that. > > I appreciate the suggestions that have been offered, though I’ve not yet > found what I’m hoping for in the preliminary samplings I’ve been able to view > and hear. > > So many works have music tracks, orchestral music, jazz, electronic music, > pop…sometimes with narration. Sometimes the music is great, sometimes it’s > lacking, but my search is for sound design that reaches farther or deeper > than sound track music. I enjoyed re-watching The End but it’s “just” text > and music. Invocation of My Demon Brother is “just” Mick Jagger’s > electronic noodlings on a MOOG. Robert Withers just posted that Abigail > Child’s work is worthy, and I agree. A title I didn’t mention earlier is > Robert Gardner’s Forests of Bliss. Deborah Stratman frequently does great > sound work. > > I’m just hopeful that I learn that there is more really rich stuff out there. > Sound is pretty wonderful. > > > > Robert Harris > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why not tell us your name, location, and the name of the school? > > FraneWorks doesn't feel like much of a community anymore. Or maybe I'll just > never get used to Internet anonymity, fine on some sex advice board but to me > not right for a place like this. > > To be contrary, I'd suggest Christopher Maclaine's The End and The Man Who > Invented Gold. They are very great films, in my view but not in everyone's, > with great soundtracks that do not meet your criteria, but they are not > "strictly intellectual" either -- far from it. Made with minimal means, they > might seem amateurish to someone who hated them. > > Then there's my favorite Bruce Baillie sound track, the one for Tung. But > check into what i mean before renting the film. > > Fred Camper, Chicago > > On 5/15/2016 2:36 PM, lagonaboba wrote: > > For a class I’m preparing, I’m interested in suggestions as to Experimental > Films with exemplary, excellent sound design and sound editing. > > By excellent I mean, complex, layered, inventive, of rich and nuanced > timbre….excellent for it’s sonic qualities (as opposed to strictly > intellectual qualities). > > As I plan to rent prints, it would be helpful if the works were available > from FMC, Canyon, MOMA or some USA domestic distributor. > > I would include: > > > > Baillie’s Castro Street & Quick Billy, > > Kubelka’s Unsere Afrikareise, > > Hindle’s Watersmith > > Jack Chambers’ Hart of London > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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