On 11/28/05,
shai-tan shai-tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Device drivers will be needed Im sure. Is there such a thing as SATA DVD drives on the market? I havent really been looking into Hardware market for a few years.Shai-tan
On 11/28/05, smo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:That was under the subtitle "Speculation", so I guess no one has
really tried it yet. I found some threads on some forums that say
Xbox1's DVD drive works on a PC (though nothing too concrete).
On 28/11/05, Constantin Hofstetter < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mhh.. and the
> http://www.free60.org/wiki/DVD page tells us that:
>
> The DVD-ROM doesn't work on a standard pc workstation
>
> - I am gona change that to " The DVD-ROM doesn't work on a standard pc
> workstation, yet."
> :)
>
>
> On 11/28/05, Constantin Hofstetter < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The HDD also uses a normal SATA hookup - read on free60 on that ;)
> >
> > http://www.free60.org/wiki/Harddrive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/28/05, Sheldon Neuberger < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > That sounds promising... Does the 360's HDD use a regular SATA hookup?
> > > Does anyone here have a 360 that they could try this with?
> > >
> > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:12:52 -0500, Constantin Hofstetter
> > > < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How about connecting the DVD drive from the xbox360 to the pc? ;)
> > > > Yes, it has a special power plug, but leave that in the xbox360,
> connect
> > > > sata to the PC and fire up both -
> > > > I wonder what the results would be ...
> > > >
> > > > Consti
> > > >
> > > > On 11/28/05, smo < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >>
> > > >> No problem :) I wouldn't say I know lots, but at least some basics.
> > > >> Basically my point is that unless the disc format is such that a PC
> > > >> DVD drive's optics cannot pickup the data from the disc, I don't
> think
> > > >> it's a too far-fetched idea that it could be read with a PC DVD drive
> > > >> (with a modified firmware).
> > > >>
> > > >> On the topic of DVD drives, is there any more info on the Xbox DVD
> > > >> drive? Is there a comparable PC version of the drive available as
> > > >> there was for the original Xbox?
> > > >>
> > > >> On 28/11/05, Darren Coles < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >> > Sorry, I just assumed you didn't know anything about the low level
> > > >> disc
> > > >> > formats. I think most people just think that the data in a raw disc
> > > >> image
> > > >> > (for example) just get written straight to the disc as pits and
> > > >> troughs
> > > >> > translated from the 0's and 1's.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm not too hot on the differences between CD and DVD formats at
> that
> > > >> level
> > > >> > but I presume they are pretty much the same.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In my message, I was referring to formats that are 'uncopyable'
> rather
> > > >> than
> > > >> > 'unripable'.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you don't want the disc to be able to be read on a pc, then it
> > > >> could
> > > >> be
> > > >> > done by having multiple sessions, where the first session is closed
> > > >> and
> > > >> the
> > > >> > second session starts at a specific offset into the disc. I think
> the
> > > >> > dreamcast did something along these lines in addition to the second
> > > >> session
> > > >> > being higher density than a normal cd.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Basically the same as the TOC thing, but without a firmware change
> the
> > > >> > normal cd/dvd drive probably wouldn't be able to find the second
> > > >> session.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >> > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> On Behalf Of smo
> > > >> > Sent: 28 November 2005 17:45
> > > >> > To: free60-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >> > Subject: Re: [Free60-Devel] Re: Game DVD formats
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hi,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm aware of basics of CD format (apparently DVD is a lot alike
> > > >> > though?) and I didn't imply the format was a simple thing. At least
> > > >> > part of the disc is standard DVD, since it can be read on a PC as
> > > >> > DVD-video. The DVD drive in both Xboxes is supposed to be a pretty
> > > >> > standard DVD-drive with some Xbox specific things (and by that I
> mean
> > > >> > the difference is in the firmware, not in the optics, correct?).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Looks like weak sectors are used by SafeDisc protection on PC and
> they
> > > >> > seem to have no problem ripping those...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 28/11/05, Darren Coles < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> > > At the lowest level, CD and DVD formats are a lot more
> complicated
> > > >> than
> > > >> > you
> > > >> > > might think. Its not just a case of writing the 0's and 1's from
> the
> > > >> data
> > > >> > > you want to store onto disc.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Theres several layers of error correction and the fact that the
> data
> > > >> has
> > > >> > > To be encoded in such a way that it can be read back reliably.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > If you want to know more, try googling for EFM (eight fourteen
> > > >> modulation)
> > > >> > > and 'Weak sectors'
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >> > > [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of smo
> > > >> > > Sent: 28 November 2005 17:02
> > > >> > > To: free60-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >> > > Subject: [Free60-Devel] Re: Game DVD formats
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Hello,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > My messages sounded a lot like it was about game piracy. My
> > > >> apologies,
> > > >> > > it definately
> > > >> > > wasn't about that - I'm more interested in how the security
> > > >> functions
> > > >> > > from end-to-end.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On 28/11/05, smo < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> > > > Hi,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > What's so special about current game console DVD formats that
> > > >> render
> > > >> > > > them uncopyable on a PC? They do contain somewhat standard DVD
> > > >> > > > characteristics,
> > > >> > > > don't they?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I've tried researching this topic and all I came up was vague
> > > >> > > > suggestions about the discs having a fake TOC and a proper TOC
> on
> > > >> a
> > > >> > > > second layer. If I were to make a bit-for-bit copy of a game
> DVD
> > > >> (say
> > > >> > > > if a PC DVD drive could do that), how would the console tell it
> > > >> apart
> > > >> > > > from an original disc?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > -smo
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
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