--- Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some times, it's better to install smaller packages that work together > in a well-known way, than huge mega-monsters that break in unexpected > ways later on. Firstly, thnx Giorgos for responding!
All I want from BSD to is a Rock Solid Web Server with as default: - FreeBSD+Minimilist GUI(wmaker will do) - File Manager(got xfe working) - Editor(got nedit installed) - Apache+Mod_SSL+MySQL+PHP+Mod_Perl - Firewall (is one installed as default ??) - Web Browser(Mozilla installed but its slow - will try firefox later) Thats all, nothing else! I would have thought that with so many people running BSD Web Servers, that there would be a similar default install out-of-the-box out there... > Anyway, just to check that I'm not writing junk, I've just installed > apache with mod_ssl, ipv6 and mode_perl support. > I used the www/apache13-modssl+ipv6 port to install Apache, then > www/mod_perl to install mod_perl version 1.x (which could be > substituted in a breeze with www/mod_perl2 to use the newer > version) tweaked Apache's config file a bit and voila... my web server > was up and running in less than 5 minutes. I guess my problem is I know where all the files go on my Windows box, but I am not sure where the files go on the BSD box when an install goes wrong. If the pkg_delete fails, how do I manually remove the files for a failed [Apache+Mod_SSL+MySQL+PHP+Mod_Perl] installation ?? > Did you actually *try* to install Apache using the ports? Yes, apache by itself is easy, its installing the bunch - Apache+Mod_SSL+MySQL+PHP+Mod_Perl > You still didn't answer my question in an earlier post about the problems you seem > to be having: > > Why isn't it easy for you to install all these things on FreeBSD? > > Which part of the installation troubles you? A recent addition to > the Handbook was a section on Apache. Perhaps, by letting us know > what gives you trouble we can improve the documentation to help you > and anyone else that tries to install an Apache web server from > now on. sorry about, thought I did - here goes: - Installing Packages is nice & easy & straight forward from the docs(should be more of these!) - Installing ports/packages via ftp/net - Forget it!! I have barely got BSD running, the last thing I want is connecting a BSD box to my broadband connection ?? Does BSD have a default firewall ?? Don't know, having trouble installing stuff let alone configuring a firewall via scripts/files Currently as we speak, I am getting about a hit every 10 seconds from worms... thankfully being caught by my firewall on my Windows 2000 box. >> Why isn't it easy for you to install all these things on FreeBSD? Specifically, its the ./configure business of the different installations & the pedantic order which to install the different Apache modules etc.. Then its going step by step with the install guides & when I try to install MySQL, I type # groupadd mysql & I get "command not found" ... ??? no idea, I am following the install guides... now if I am doing the same as everyone else with a fresh install of BSD, why is it no one else gets groupadd mysql "command not found" ?? I just don't see the point of compiling each program from source. - But if I try to install all of them from the packages, then it breaks down. - I am used to from Windows, installing from packages, then once everything is installed & running, I go back & tweak the apps to my likeing BSD wants me to do the tweaks in configuration files prior to compiling from source BEFORE I have had a chance to fiddle with the app to SEE what needs to be tweak. ie installing PHP the setting of mm should be --without-mm ?? what the... that should be a tweak AFTER its installed not before... then manually chmod because for some reason, even though I am logged in as root, all files are not by default excute/write accessable ..oops ranting again... what the manual needs, is more step-by-step screen shots so things are less hit & miss - not just for the install process, but for something like install a Web Server with its modules - Apache+Mod_SSL+MySQL+PHP+Mod_Perl > Note that OpenSSL is part of the base system in FreeBSD. Unlike > Windows, where in the best case it's considered an "add-on" that you have > to add later. You don't need to add anything to your FreeBSD system to > have OpenSSL support, provided you keep the system itself relatively up > to date, using the recommended update instructions of the Handbook or > the file /usr/src/UPDATING. I assume I would need to be connect to the net for this... but I would first need to secure the system from attack BEFORE I connect - maybe this should be the first part of the docs, straight after installing BSD+GUI+Editor+FileManager but BEFORE installing Apache > > OPTIONAL: > > IMAP > Exactly what we have now. You can use the Ports to install all of the > above and a lot more. There are more than 10,000 ports in the FreeBSD > collection now; a number that is far larger than anything Microsoft > Windows can boast about for programs that are tightly integrated to its > system, are available for any version of Windows and work mostly out of > the box with minimal changes *if* any are needed at all. Yes, but at the moment, I am manually saving ports/packages from my Windows Box on CD then put this into my BSD CDROM & installing from there - if I am lucky & they are packages, then its fast & simple - if its installing ports, then its slow, time consuming & prone to getting errors! Like trying to install something as simple as xfce, then having to go back & get the dependencies... ahhh - Multiply that by 10 apps - back & forth ... > If the FreeBSD ports don't meet your special requirements, because their > limitations block you from doing things the way you like them done, you > can always download the source of Apache, mod_perl, mod_ssl, php or any > other programs you wish to install and follow the build instructions > contained therein. I tried that first & when that didn't work, I went to the ports. When that failed, I went to the Packages. When that failed.... I became Mr Grumpy.... > When you don't know how to do something, this list is the place to ask. When I try my next install(its now 2.00am), I will report back my findings... in more detail! > you still haven't mentioned what the exact nature of those problems was. .. will get back in an hour or so when I try another install > > - with FreeBSD & Windows 2000 installed on the SAME computer, the GUI > > of Windows 2000 is MUCH faster than any of the BSD window managers > > That's in vivid contrast to the general feeling of "speed" that > thousands of FreeBSD users have reported so far. > > Actually, fvwm2 can be shown to have a very small memory footprint and > still a usable look that doesn't lack some of the nice features of > Windows 9x. I've even seen themes of fvwm2 that resemble and mimic the > Windows XP look without requiring 128 MB of system memory just to get > started. I'm not sure why you claim that Windows is faster/lighter but > if you do have raw numbers to back your claim up I'd be interested to > see them. Raw numbers no... just sitting in front of the BSD screen counting the seconds.. wondering how people use this OS - then I do a reboot & select WIN2000 & can't believe the difference. If you want, when I have time, I could take an mpg of it & upload it for all ?? > I've been using windowmaker and fvwm2 for more than 8 years now and I > can tell you that their configurability is almost unsurpassed, their > look can be tweaked and changed to resemble almost anything and their > speed is so good that I can no longer work on Windows machines without > feeling I'm being constantly slowed down by the system's GUI flaws. I got fvwm2 to run. How to get it to look like a Windows 2000/XP set up... I could NOT get it to work!! I D/L the files below but could not install them(can't work out where they are supposed to go ???) "fvwm2 configured to look very much like Windows XP" screenshot - http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm2-horen.jpg configuration files - http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm2-config-horen.tar.gz icons - http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm2-icons-horen.tar.gz > Be patient! I will try :) > Nobody learns how to install, configure, use & hack a new system in an afternoon's > time no... 6 days, that should be more than enough... I mastered windows 95 in 1 > > - No default GUI File Explorer (excluding KDE/GNOME, not that there's > > is usable) - had to install xfe on wmaker(still about as useless as > > Windows 3.1 File Manager) > > That's because you're still bound to old habits. I have no use for > slow, GUI monsters that require me to point and click for every little > detail of what I want to do. MS GUI's shows more detailed information to me than simple cmd line responses for info .. not sure how you see Windows 2000 Explorer as slow... > When you do spend some time with FreeBSD though and try to learn some of > the commands available to the command line user, you might be surprised > at the power that is hidden under the hood in any *real* UNIX system. > > But let's leave this for the future to show. I am interested to see this ... > > - FreeBSD does NOT Default Mount my CD & Floppy(this is ridiculous - > > even MS DOS NOT to mention Windows 3.1 [Year 1990... ring a bell] did > > this!!) > > There is a reason why it's not enabled by default, but if you really, > absolutely *MUST* enable it, it's described in the documentation. You > could always search for it yourself or ask on this list for details, > pointers and/or help with your setup. I can mount my Floppy when I run gluggy KDE, but under Wmaker, I type: mount -v -t msdos /dev/fd0c /mnt ... and this says its mounted but when I go into xfe.. I cannot see a floppy directory with files ??? ... any hints at to what could be wrong ??? When I figure this out, then I will like to automount ... any Q&D config hints ??? > > - 300 Million Users of Windows thinks so ;)) (BTW: I am NOT including > > KDE/GNOME) > > Honestly, I'd be very curious to see where you got that number from. Read it in a Forbes article.. but a gestimate would be: USA/Canada 90 Million Europe 90 Million China 30 Million India 30 Million Rest of Asia 10 Russia 25 Million Rest Eastern Countries 25 Million This would inlcude company/univeristy workstation, computer legal/illegal copies ... ohh didn't even include the Middle East... > Oh, but there *is* such functionality. You just didn't look hard enough > to find it (sic). The command for searching your disk is, very > unsurprisingly, called "find". Read its manual page with: > > man find will look into that ... > The FreeBSD Handbook is linked from the documentation pages of FreeBSD > at `http://www.FreeBSD.org/docs.html'. One of the first things > described in the Handbook, in great detail, including screenshots that > will assist you during the installation. I agree, that installation was easy, except for the damage its done to my partitions I have Windows 2000(primary P) & BSD(primary P) When I run partition magic in Win2000, its says that I have a BAD partition. Doing some searching, found that BSD messes up something with the sizes of the geometry of the selected partitions(slices) - still don't know how to fix this ??? > Did you try reading the "installation" chapter of the Handbook? Did you > look for any other sort of documentation that would help you get started > with FreeBSD? I read the installation chapter then: 2 FreeBSD Books I have + FreeBSD Documentation · FAQ · Handbook · Manual pages · For Newbies + Google > It's easy to install fully functional, complete desktops like KDE or > GNOME from the installation CD-ROMs. Refer to the installation > instructions on your CD-ROM disk (there should be a file called > INSTALL.TXT with a lot of help about the installation itself) or to the > online documentation I mentioned earlier for details. I don't want a bloated desktop install like KDE(see beginning email) > > I cannot tell you the shock & disappointment I had in finding out that > > Windows 2000 runs FASTER than FreeBSD with any GUI/Windows > > Manager/Desktop Environment ... :((( > > I don't really think so, but you're entitled to your own, personal > opinion. Since you're not mentioning why you think that this is so, > I'll have to answer with just a simple phrase: "not really". I replied to "Remko Lodder" same subject post & I said there the different speeds I was getting > It is obvious that you're tired, angry and totally pissed off. > > Take your time. Relax a bit, and start over. I will try to relax... thnks > This time, please, read the installation instructions carefully. Try to > understand what is being said, and if you don't ask. Send mail to this > list with your questions and I'll be one of the first to answer. I will try again & again.... until I get this right.... > I hope you have better luck the second time you try :-) Try 6th > Whenever you face problems like this one, that seem impossibly difficult > for a FreeBSD newcomer, don't hesitate to ask. > > There are no stupid questions. There are, however, many knowledgeable > and helpful people on this list. thnx ... I will report back then with any problem I encounter on my next try :) Kind Regards, DK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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