Bad keyboard. Go to yer room.

So what criteria or descriptors would you use to identify 'true' emergence?

Tory



On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

I suppose that if, one were to show resistance to compression by number of sides of an open polygon one would show a non linear function. I have never been thrilled by the linearity criterion because transformation can usually get rid of it. So something that is emergent on a ordinary plot becomes non-emergent on a log plot.

Sorry again to be so short; no disrespect, just hatred for the keyboard I am working on.

N

-----Original Message-----
From: Victoria Hughes <[email protected]>
Sent: Jun 8, 2009 12:26 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] quick question

Re ongoing conversations about emergent phenomena:
for the purposes of discussions here+the discuss list:
        Is 'non-linearity' an acceptable descriptor?

And out of curiousity how would you plot a linear progression of
attributes that includes 'triangleness'? What elements would you be
graphing?

Tory

On Jun 7, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

Nick -
But surely we cannot reduce the strength of a triangle to the
strength of its parts because the strength of a triangle depends on
the ARRANGEMENT of those parts.  And arrangement is not a property
of any of the parts.
after my missive on Tolerancing and my claim that "Emergence"
requires "nonlinearity", I have to take a pause and accept that you
may be correct that the example of a triangle and it's strength
might be described as emergent.

I hope that a "wise person" will weigh in here.   I have to admit to
being left wavering and curious on this one.

Good question Nick.

- Steve


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