Lawry,
You are a fool. Worse, you are an ingratiating fool.
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *de
Bivort Lawrence
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 12:11 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment
Hi, Ed,
I am only now getting caught up on postings here -- and there are a
lot of them -- and have not seen those threads that I imagine you are
referring to, Ed. No one, including, Arthur, wants, deserves, or needs
potshots to be taken at them, and my message to Arthur is not meant to
refer to or parallel any other discussions here. My message refers
solely to the one post he made that is copied. If my message to Arthur
came at a time when he is being attacked in any of the threads here, I
certainly do not mean to 'pile on.'
Cheers,
Lawry
On Jan 18, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Ed Weick wrote:
From what I've seen on the list lately, I think the pot shot are being
aimed at Arthur.
Ed
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*Sent:*Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:17 AM
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Poor Arthur!
You just can't control your desire to take potshots at Islam, can you?
Is this revenge for anti-Semitism? If it is, you should know that
anti-Semitism does not come from the Islam, but from Europeans
and, increasingly, Americans.
Some day, Arthur, you may actually set out to learn something
about Islam. It will open your eyes. So much of what you could
learn would surprise and delight you.
But somehow you have become invested in bashing Islam, in the same
way that anti-Semites bash Jews.
As for the 30s and the 60s, I know of many intellectuals in the
30s and know many in the 60s who were not "taken" with Russia, nor
Mao. What silly generalizations you allow yourself!
Why be part of the world of hate and ignorance? Why do you let
such nonsense detract from your ability to think?
Lawry
On Jan 18, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Arthur Cordell wrote:
Be careful of what you embrace, it might turn around and bite you
later on.
Intellectuals in the 30’s were equally taken with Russia,
intellectuals in the 60’s were equally taken with Mao. Some
intellectuals are taken with Islam today.
Intellectuals seeking total solutions sometimes grab on to total
ideologies not realizing that change comes bit by bit. Small
bites are more easily digestible.
A revolution is not a tea party. Be careful of what you ask for.
Do you have smooth hands and wear glasses? The Khmer Rouge would
have you killed for this “crime” since it is clear that you are
not a worker.
As Clinton would say, “I feel your pain” but there is little I can
offer to ease that pain.
arthur
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[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray
Harrell
*Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2011 10:48 PM
*To:* 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION'
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment
In human systems, what is it that resists a descent into apathetic
randomness?
You may be right about our inability to communicate but I’ve made
my way out of more than one cave-in when I’ve tried cross cultural
communication. It seems to me that there are certain tools
necessary in the designing of a society. It also seems to me
that the knowledge of the past and the knowledge of historical
systems is also necessary. It also seems to me that most of
that knowledge is stored in cultural artifacts and to a large
degree in works for the stage, film, concert hall, opera house etc.
You can learn very little about the context for the U.S.
Constitution if you never been to New England or walked the hills
of Tennessee and Georgia. The extant architecture, the
literature, the culture contained within the schools and the
churches and the expressions themselves all provide an insight
into what made this world come into being. You have to look
through the American problem of “face” and the tendency to make
history “nice” for the legacy. As Obama said in Tucson, we need
to be civil but we need to speak the truth as well.
We need to study the two industrial revolutions, the break-up of
the old families in the remaking of the schools, the assumption of
complex culture by the wealthy beginning with Higginson at Harvard
and Boston, the revamping of the educational structure at the turn
of the century into the current professional forms and
specialties, the entrance of the German and Viennese intellectuals
escaping from Hitler into the University of Chicago which has fed
the current revolution down to the current President. It seems
that it is hard to know how things came to be unless you are
serious about cause and effect.
And finally there is the rise of the “core value” of society as
monetary which is a new bird. As recent as the 1960s Paul
Tillich and Reinhold Niebuhr said that the definition of faith in
your God was what you held to be your core value. Today’s core
values are monetary which according to the two theologians [and I
believe Martin Buber would have agreed] that money has become the
God of the current world. So whatever money does is OK.
Is that a world that you would build if you were doing as the
Chinese economists, artists and engineers and designing a society
and a future culture? I spoke with one of my Elders today whose
son is an urban planner. He’s spending his time learning
Mandarin. The exciting part of the world for today’s architects
is China and for others it’s the Islamic world. Both have the
power to design a society. One from an aristocracy and the
other from an authoritarian, evidently [hopefully] benevolent
cultural world view. Why no entropy there? Why no trains
across America? Why claptrap old cars and airports closed
killing the business of the American small towns? Entropy? or
excuse? I’m not sure how to talk to you? Like the man
skiing down Everest, “nothing works.” I like you and admire
your list and your work here but it feels like there’s no answer.
REH
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*From:*[email protected]
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[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Arthur Cordell
*Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2011 9:41 PM
*To:* 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION'
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment
You mean do societies wind down or become more chaotic over time?
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray
Harrell
*Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2011 7:08 PM
*To:* 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION'
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment
Arthur, what do you think about entropy as applied to societies?
REH
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