Hi, Ed, I am only now getting caught up on postings here -- and there are a lot of them -- and have not seen those threads that I imagine you are referring to, Ed. No one, including, Arthur, wants, deserves, or needs potshots to be taken at them, and my message to Arthur is not meant to refer to or parallel any other discussions here. My message refers solely to the one post he made that is copied. If my message to Arthur came at a time when he is being attacked in any of the threads here, I certainly do not mean to 'pile on.'
Cheers, Lawry On Jan 18, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Ed Weick wrote: > From what I've seen on the list lately, I think the pot shot are being aimed > at Arthur. > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: de Bivort Lawrence > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment > > Poor Arthur! > > You just can't control your desire to take potshots at Islam, can you? > > Is this revenge for anti-Semitism? If it is, you should know that > anti-Semitism does not come from the Islam, but from Europeans and, > increasingly, Americans. > > Some day, Arthur, you may actually set out to learn something about Islam. > It will open your eyes. So much of what you could learn would surprise and > delight you. > > But somehow you have become invested in bashing Islam, in the same way that > anti-Semites bash Jews. > > As for the 30s and the 60s, I know of many intellectuals in the 30s and know > many in the 60s who were not "taken" with Russia, nor Mao. What silly > generalizations you allow yourself! > > Why be part of the world of hate and ignorance? Why do you let such nonsense > detract from your ability to think? > > Lawry > > > > On Jan 18, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Arthur Cordell wrote: > >> Be careful of what you embrace, it might turn around and bite you later on. >> >> >> Intellectuals in the 30’s were equally taken with Russia, intellectuals in >> the 60’s were equally taken with Mao. Some intellectuals are taken with >> Islam today. >> >> >> Intellectuals seeking total solutions sometimes grab on to total ideologies >> not realizing that change comes bit by bit. Small bites are more easily >> digestible. >> >> >> A revolution is not a tea party. Be careful of what you ask for. Do you >> have smooth hands and wear glasses? The Khmer Rouge would have you killed >> for this “crime” since it is clear that you are not a worker. >> >> >> As Clinton would say, “I feel your pain” but there is little I can offer to >> ease that pain. >> >> >> arthur >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell >> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:48 PM >> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' >> Subject: Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment >> >> >> In human systems, what is it that resists a descent into apathetic >> randomness? >> >> >> >> You may be right about our inability to communicate but I’ve made my way out >> of more than one cave-in when I’ve tried cross cultural communication. >> It seems to me that there are certain tools necessary in the designing of a >> society. It also seems to me that the knowledge of the past and the >> knowledge of historical systems is also necessary. It also seems to me >> that most of that knowledge is stored in cultural artifacts and to a large >> degree in works for the stage, film, concert hall, opera house etc. >> >> >> You can learn very little about the context for the U.S. Constitution if you >> never been to New England or walked the hills of Tennessee and Georgia. >> The extant architecture, the literature, the culture contained within the >> schools and the churches and the expressions themselves all provide an >> insight into what made this world come into being. You have to look >> through the American problem of “face” and the tendency to make history >> “nice” for the legacy. As Obama said in Tucson, we need to be civil but >> we need to speak the truth as well. >> >> >> We need to study the two industrial revolutions, the break-up of the old >> families in the remaking of the schools, the assumption of complex culture >> by the wealthy beginning with Higginson at Harvard and Boston, the revamping >> of the educational structure at the turn of the century into the current >> professional forms and specialties, the entrance of the German and Viennese >> intellectuals escaping from Hitler into the University of Chicago which has >> fed the current revolution down to the current President. It seems that >> it is hard to know how things came to be unless you are serious about >> cause and effect. >> >> >> And finally there is the rise of the “core value” of society as monetary >> which is a new bird. As recent as the 1960s Paul Tillich and Reinhold >> Niebuhr said that the definition of faith in your God was what you held to >> be your core value. Today’s core values are monetary which according to >> the two theologians [and I believe Martin Buber would have agreed] that >> money has become the God of the current world. So whatever money does is >> OK. >> >> >> Is that a world that you would build if you were doing as the Chinese >> economists, artists and engineers and designing a society and a future >> culture? I spoke with one of my Elders today whose son is an urban >> planner. He’s spending his time learning Mandarin. The exciting part >> of the world for today’s architects is China and for others it’s the Islamic >> world. Both have the power to design a society. One from an >> aristocracy and the other from an authoritarian, evidently [hopefully] >> benevolent cultural world view. Why no entropy there? Why no trains >> across America? Why claptrap old cars and airports closed killing the >> business of the American small towns? Entropy? or excuse? I’m not >> sure how to talk to you? Like the man skiing down Everest, “nothing >> works.” I like you and admire your list and your work here but it feels >> like there’s no answer. >> >> >> REH >> >> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<image001.png> >> >> Droit de seigneur or lord's right, often used synonymously with jus primae >> noctis or simply primae noctis and its translation right of the first night, >> ... >> >> History - Similarities to other traditions - Literary and other references - >> References >> >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_de_seigneur - Cached - Similar >> >> ► >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell >> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:41 PM >> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' >> Subject: Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment >> >> >> You mean do societies wind down or become more chaotic over time? >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell >> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:08 PM >> To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' >> Subject: Re: [Futurework] The 'New Normal' of Unemployment >> >> >> Arthur, what do you think about entropy as applied to societies? >> >> >> REH >> >> >> Snip, snip, snip………….. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Futurework mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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