Hi Selma, I'm sure you've noticed: for all the studies done from year to year on this topic, and for all of the great strides of competing women in a man's workplace, with the exception of few examples, the progress with respect to real change for the good of humankind has a tendency to be undone rather rapidly for the sake of economy and control. It is true of the good work of both men and women.
Studies done on women in the workplace and their ability to compete are not truly representative, are selective like most data, and though they may cite the opinions of a few executive females, are usually conducted from the P.O.V. of women who hope to manipulate the system that perpetuates the illusion of being in control. Their achievements do little to challenge the low value placed on women, and as you mention in a later post, would not come from the mind of a woman who understands or could initiate real change. Situations in which change has been initiated and maintained have been examples of creativity becoming the tool of resistance, rather than one of perpetuating an old and dysfunctional patriarchal model in which one vainly hopes to build on something devised out of inequalities. One can plainly see that big business is now the demi-god of school systems, despite the predominance of women therein, and this is mostly because corporate men are in charge not only of administration in top positions, but more particularly of allocation of funding. Funding must fall in line with the corporate ideal of perpetuating what helps the nation to grow--and arts, they erroneously think, does not contribute enough to an economy. Another aspect, and one that underlies this hasty almost global negation of the arts, is that creativity itself is an act of resistance that breaks through conformity. It is greatly feared for its genuine ability to make lasting change, that will topple any unreal power-over that patriarchy has mis-created. Since the mishandling and abuse of the 9-11 incident by BushCo and the neocons, the tool of fear--in which creativity has such limited opportunity to flourish the way that it is meant to--has unfortunately been directly and indirectly applied to every aspect of our lives, locally and globally. This has resulted in a thousand steps backwards for humanity. Real social issues will now be buried in favor of defending the wealth of the nation, and ultimately the wealth of very few. The controls now imposed upon the U.S. are at the expense of its infrastructure. Other nations, all of whom are run by similar patriarchal systems that negate creativity and suppress expression, have taken advantage of the scapegoat threat which helps the masses to forget about their inability to change inequities and injustices, and have initiated homeland security measures of their own. These measures will do little to ferret out terrorism, but will do lots to augment power-over, and so much more for the pockets and portfolios of the those who like to invest in fear- related industries. I believe I've said it before on this list: the chances of anyone ever being within a mile of a terrorist are so remote--you are far more likely to be attacked by industrial pollution, the pharmaceutical arsenal, a nuclear power station, the local rapist, your spouse, a drunk driver, or some top U.S. military officials who lose it and push the wrong buttons from within the largest and scariest panoply of weapons of mass destruction ever invented by patriarchy. The latter also applies to my guess that it was within the U.S. military/airforce command that 9-11 was born or allowed to transpire as the excuse for egregious military spending and unilateral action. Such is the "control" and chaos out of which most men make inference to women's inability to compete. The playing field has little relevance to the life around which people should be working. It is misguidedly focused upon money instead of humanity and the pursuit of education and civilization. Changing the arena would mean that most men do not get voted into positions of authority by the women who are the majority, and then perhaps, we can take the time to examine why it is that once most men assume the reins of control, they seriously abuse it, and then help them to grow out of it. I doubt the neocons looked to the future in this respect, by making elections subject to cancellation for the good of the nation, as might occur if it appears that Bush will lose in 2004. If re-elected, I suspect that they will bring about the ultimate threat--ALIEN INVASION--a most lucrative enterprise, that will keep the media going 24/7, perpetuate war as the highest pursuit possible, and refill the pockets of the military industry magnates. Women will be threatened by alien impregnation or having to do laundry for an invading hyper-freighter. Superior U.S. technology will place the imperial crown on Bush's brave little head, and our global fear will be replete. If the nation could believe that it took over an hour to scramble defence jets in response to a terrorist threat like 9-11, and further believe everything else that Bush threw at them around this event, then it is appositely primed for the alien invasion hoax that will unite both East and West. At this point Bush will probably announce that he does indeed talk to God, Who favours America of course. Then Bush will be written about in the new neocon bible, like all the other mostly male prophets who heard the voice of a vengeful and punishing god. Yes, I've heard of the exceptions, like Joan of Arc, the Amazons, the rare exceptions who came out of matriarchies. Spare me, you men on the list who will be quick to jump in with your remarks about abusive women, increasing numbers in the military, and other power positions, etc. Patriarchy has successfully screwed up both sexes, and the offspring of both. Take an honest look at who is in power, world-wide, and what they represent. Power-over is not real power, can never be a real power, and it will come to pass because its foundation is illusory. As a relevant aside, please take note of the medical and pharmaceutical sectors as they increase prescriptions for what are actually social problems.We have a nation of men and women on cry-if-I-could Prozac and other anti-depressants, and children on Ritalin. The offspring of the parents who take these drugs often end up on Ritalin, then must graduate to the grown-up drugs. Hence the current medicalization, and very suppressed not to mention creatively repressed populace, looking to the immediate gratification of media and Hollywood for fulfillment. Another feather of control in the cap of capitalism. Another blow for the Arts. Another sad example of insane men assuming control over healing from good men and mostly women of yester-year. This type of control will be rampant the more desperate and demised the military machine becomes. Air, water, food, electronics & various signals will be quite contaminated with control features. Patriarchy is really only run by a few men. Most of the rest, along with women and children, are pawns too, but have bought the illusion of being part of the control team. Perhaps that illusion is expressed in the non-verbal male communication that was mentioned, whose nuances many will remember from basic psychology or real estate courses. Trying to communicate or negotiate as patriarchal pawns rather than as people with goals based in real values simply feeds a flawed existing system, and contributes to the erosion of the very qualities that make us human. If women only mirror men in their communications, they will not be aspiring to the ideals that humankind holds for itself. Nurturing and inspiring creativity will be subjugated to the edicts of the state, like in good old Russia under communist rule. Eventually even patriarchy wonders where the love for life has gone. More women in the workplace has not resulted in a shift in power. The wealthy few have simply tightened the reins, and increased their power base and wealth almost beyond restoration to balance. I believe, however, that the fear that binds is going to be its imminent undoing, and that that undoing will occur before the decades it would take for real change to transpire. Too many weapons, too much insanity in the White House, changing nature itself, changing humans for countless generations, taking away the basic necessities of life from their very own hopes for tomorrow. The trick is, if we simply let patriarchy crumble, there will still be a handful who retain their money and power, and it will not be easy to disempower or disinherit them We will have to make the necessary changes to the power grid, and re- shape it to one of fruit bearing structure, or else succumb to the suicide of all vapid cultures, by greed, W.M.D.'s or by the apathy due to loss of honouring the soul. Women, who are in the majority, must reconsider how such absolute power-over comes about, must look at peaceful alternatives and step up to the vote with foresight. Alongside the aware men of which there should be enough, we must remove the insane mostly men from power positions, starting at the oval office. Let that trickle down into a system that can resuscitate a life-force. The world and all precious life upon it cannot afford to wait for gradual change. Still optimistic, Natalia - Original Message ----- From: Selma Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Why men succeed at work > I have mixed feelings about that, Bill. > > There are two schools of thought about how women should compete in a male > marketplace. One school obviously consists in those women who try to beat > men at their own game; i.e., learn how to manipulate and use power the way > men do. > > Another school, which I'm sure you'll agree, is probably unrealistic in many > ways, would like to see the business world change so that it becomes more > humane and this latter school hopes that having more women in the business > world will make that more possible. > > I think there is a little bit of evidence that there has been a recognition > in some quarters that a more humane approach actually increases profit, but > it hasn't gone very far. For a while there was some discussion of the > "feminization" of the workplace as less brutal methods were seen as > beneficial for business. > > I haven't been involved in current events in either sociology or women's > studies for the last eight years so I don't know what's been happening in > that regard. Perhaps there are some on this list who are more up-to-date. > > Selma > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Why men succeed at work > > > > Selma, > > > > I certainly agree with you. Rather than expecting men to change, I feel > > that there is need to set up a training program so that women will be > > able to steal men's signals. > > > > Bill > > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:35:58 -0400 "Selma Singer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > There is considerable sociological evidence that women are at a > > > disadvantage > > > in business relationships precisely, as Bill has noted, because they > > > do not > > > have the same experience with sports that boys and men do. > > > > > > As a feminist who is not crazy about capitalism, I don't necessarily > > > believe > > > that that kind of interaction is necessarily good for human or > > > societal > > > development but that is a totally different issue. > > > > > > Selma > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Why men succeed at work > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right. A lot of times, men skip important > > > issues and > > > > come to a resolution having to do with the power structure of the > > > group > > > > or with known vested interests. A lot of times, women realize that > > > there > > > > are better ways of dealing with the issue but still are unaware > > > that the > > > > power structure has ended discussions. I certainly was not trying > > > to > > > > imply that men are better decision makers, just that they are > > > attune to > > > > signals coming in from the bench. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:10:05 -0400 "Ray Evans Harrell" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > writes: > > > > > Was the issue truly resolved or was it just that a decision had > > > been > > > > > made? > > > > > > > > > > REH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:53 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Why men succeed at work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hypothesis as to why men do better at work is that men, due > > > to > > > > > their > > > > > > sports and other patterns of interaction, have created > > > nonverbal > > > > > and > > > > > > coded patterns of communication when doing business. I have > > > seen > > > > > > situations where negotiations on an issue have ended where > > > both > > > > > men and > > > > > > women are present and women have not realized that a decision > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > made. > > > > > > > > > > > > The males will be moving on to other issues while the woman > > > is > > > > > still > > > > > > discussing the issue unaware that it has been resolved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:02:18 -0700 Stephen Straker > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > from this week's Economist: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<< > > > > > > > > BE A MAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Men compete harder than women. That is why they do better > > > > > > > > at work ... > > > > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > and men have different attitudes to competing... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe's men's attitudes towards work and towards their > > > > > > > fellow workers is part of the PROBLEM ... ("Do unto others > > > > > > > before they do it unto you", etc.). Many things we have > > > > > > > talked about on this list over the years would suggest as > > > > > > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Straker > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Vancouver, B.C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Futurework mailing list > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > > > > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > > > > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Futurework mailing list > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Futurework mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework