I have mixed feelings about that, Bill.
There are two schools of thought about how women should compete in a male
marketplace. One school obviously consists in those women who try to beat
men at their own game; i.e., learn how to manipulate and use power the way
men do.
Another school, which I'm sure you'll agree, is probably unrealistic in many
ways, would like to see the business world change so that it becomes more
humane and this latter school hopes that having more women in the business
world will make that more possible.
I think there is a little bit of evidence that there has been a recognition
in some quarters that a more humane approach actually increases profit, but
it hasn't gone very far. For a while there was some discussion of the
"feminization" of the workplace as less brutal methods were seen as
beneficial for business.
I haven't been involved in current events in either sociology or women's
studies for the last eight years so I don't know what's been happening in
that regard. Perhaps there are some on this list who are more up-to-date.
Selma
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> Selma,
>
> I certainly agree with you. Rather than expecting men to change, I feel
> that there is need to set up a training program so that women will be
> able to steal men's signals.
>
> Bill
>
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:35:58 -0400 "Selma Singer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > There is considerable sociological evidence that women are at a
> > disadvantage
> > in business relationships precisely, as Bill has noted, because they
> > do not
> > have the same experience with sports that boys and men do.
> >
> > As a feminist who is not crazy about capitalism, I don't necessarily
> > believe
> > that that kind of interaction is necessarily good for human or
> > societal
> > development but that is a totally different issue.
> >
> > Selma
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Why men succeed at work
> >
> >
> > > Ray,
> > >
> > > You are absolutely right. A lot of times, men skip important
> > issues and
> > > come to a resolution having to do with the power structure of the
> > group
> > > or with known vested interests. A lot of times, women realize that
> > there
> > > are better ways of dealing with the issue but still are unaware
> > that the
> > > power structure has ended discussions. I certainly was not trying
> > to
> > > imply that men are better decision makers, just that they are
> > attune to
> > > signals coming in from the bench.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:10:05 -0400 "Ray Evans Harrell"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > writes:
> > > > Was the issue truly resolved or was it just that a decision had
> > been
> > > > made?
> > > >
> > > > REH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:53 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Why men succeed at work
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > My hypothesis as to why men do better at work is that men, due
> > to
> > > > their
> > > > > sports and other patterns of interaction, have created
> > nonverbal
> > > > and
> > > > > coded patterns of communication when doing business. I have
> > seen
> > > > > situations where negotiations on an issue have ended where
> > both
> > > > men and
> > > > > women are present and women have not realized that a decision
> > has
> > > > been
> > > > > made.
> > > > >
> > > > > The males will be moving on to other issues while the woman
> > is
> > > > still
> > > > > discussing the issue unaware that it has been resolved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:02:18 -0700 Stephen Straker
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > > > from this week's Economist:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <<<<
> > > > > > > BE A MAN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Men compete harder than women. That is why they do better
> > > > > > > at work ...
> > > > > > [cut]
> > > > > > > women
> > > > > > > and men have different attitudes to competing...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe's men's attitudes towards work and towards their
> > > > > > fellow workers is part of the PROBLEM ... ("Do unto others
> > > > > > before they do it unto you", etc.). Many things we have
> > > > > > talked about on this list over the years would suggest as
> > > > > > much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen Straker
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Vancouver, B.C.
> > > > > >
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