Hi Doug My Pismo (1GB RAM/100GB HD/400 MHz) runs Tiger 10.4.11 natively.) IIRC, the necessary qualification for Tiger was FireWire ports.
So, again IIRC, some G3 iBooks which apparently had the processing power, RAM and HD capacity were cut off from Tigering. Of course, this may be a figment of my own, often faulty, memory. Bruce On 28 Oct 2009, at 13:56, Doug LaVerne wrote: > Thank you sir; good summary. (My main machines outside work are a > Pismo 768/120 G3 400 10.3.9 and MBP, 2G/160 Dual Core 2.4 10.4.11). > > Do you have some way to do Tiger natively on the Pismo G3, or are > you using xpf(acto) or something analogous? > > merlin_ch / Doug L. / aisling > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:43 AM, classical > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Don't rush to write off any of those machines, not even the > Wallstreet. > Remember, for every opinion there is an equal and opposite criticism: > > All three machines have strengths and weaknesses, and always the > devil is in the detail. > > For example - Pismo and Lombard have built-in USB ports - but they > are hardware-limited to USB 1.1 (12MB.sec). To get USB 2 on those > machines you have to add ports via a PCMCIA card. > > That said, advantages of the Pismo include: 'New World' ROMs with > native support for Tiger, a system bus which is 50% faster than the > Wallstreet, expansion bays which support off-the-shelf DVD burners, > and upgradable to 1GB RAM. > > However, Wallstreet does have capabilities which the later machines > cannot match. > It has better support for legacy hardware, having SCSI and ADB ports. > USB, Firewire and Wireless capabilities are available via PCMCIA > cards. > The expansion bays of the WS are extraordinarily adaptable, with both > left and right bays able to accept any combination of ZIP, floppy, > hard drive, or battery modules. (Hard drive expansion bay kits are > still available from http://store.mcetech.com/.) > > Wallstreets are NOT limited to running OS-X from an 8GB partition. I > am writing this on a Wallstreet running OS-X.4.11 from a 34GB > partition of a 120GB hard drive. > It is connected to various USB, firewire and ethernet devices, all of > which work seamlessly. > The only capability I really miss by comparison with more recent > computers, is full-resolution video capture and playback. (Apple's > core graphics engine is out of the question). > > Having said all that, I think you might find better value in a G4 of > some kind. > The old G3s are fun, but by the time you've maxxed out the RAM, got > new batteries, fitted USB ports and hubs, airport cards, upgraded the > HDDs and expansion bay modules etc. etc... you will have spent more > in time and money than it would cost for a G4 powerbook with all of > it built-in. > > hth.. Alan Dow > > ===================================== > On 2009-10-26 20:40 -0700, wren wrote: > > >Have read all I can on Low End Mac about WallStreet, Lombard and > >Pismo. Then I read ebay's current and closed auctions. > > > >My head is spinning with info. I'd appreciate the perspective of > those > >of you who use these laptops. > > > >First. Why am I considering one - and what do I want it to do: > >----------------------------------------------- > >I'm considering the G3 because I'm not certain that I can afford a G4 > >Powerbook. I hope one of the G3's will let me at least scrape > meeting > >my needs. > > > >---- > >Need to run OS 10.3.9. (The software I own doesn't run higher than > >this) > >Need to connect to wireless internet services (provided by the > >library) > >---- > >Media needs: > >First Choice: Would be nice if I could plug in my USB flash drive. > >Second Choice: Ability to write cd or dvd. > >Third choice: ability to plug in external cd or dvd writer. > >---- > >Software: > >While I don't need my full photoshop (CS I) installed on this laptop, > >some smaller editing program would be necessary. Just for web sized > >graphics (not high resolution photographs for print). I have the > whole > >Adobe Creative Suite CS I - but I am guessing running that is too > much > >to ask for the little G3's level 2 cache and RAM restrictions? (Or am > >I wrong?) > > > >I will forgo the ability to open Illustrator, or use In Design on > this > >laptop. I can skip that if it is not feasible. > >---- > >Amount of use: > >This is intended to be a laptop I can use for up to 2 hours per day - > >maybe 4 days a week. > > > >---- > >The contenders: > >WALLSTREET: Although they have the lowest price tag of the bunch, I > >think I've read that it could not come close to fulfilling what I > >want. One problem I read about is a restriction on the harddrive - > >8gig max? Should I cross it off the list? > > > >That leaves Lombard and Pismo. It looks like both end up going for > >$125 minimum for a working model. Although, it looks like they'd need > >a new battery often at that price which adds another $100 to the > >equation. Does that sound like the going rates to you, or have I > >misread? > > > >Would Lombard and Pismo fulfill my basic requirements? Could they do > >more - as in, handle a full install of photoshop? > > > >Would sincerely appreciate feedback from those who know more about > the > >G3 laptops. I don't want to waste my money only to find out it won't > >work out. If it really won't work, I'll just have to wait to raise > >more cash. > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Books, a group for those using G3 iBooks and PowerBooks (we run a separate list for G4 'Books). 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