I think I'd like to try a racing game with something other than a keyboard. My 
problem is with understanding the sounds in relation to turning. I crash every 
single time, and I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong. I definitely think 
that some other input method would help, at least with the maneuverability 
issue; as for understanding sounds in relation to when I need to turn, that's 
another story entirely.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Aug 10, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Thomas Ward <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shaun,
> 
> That explains alot of why you feel the way you do about joysticks,
> keyboard, mice, etc. However, Che is very much correct. From a
> mainstream gamer's perspective you are still something of a newbie,
> have very little practical experience with mainstream gaming, and for
> that reason regardless of the how and why of it you are far behind
> mainstream gamers. Your experiences, or lack there of, have give en
> you a very limited perspective on gaming and how much better a
> joystick or mouse can be when playing games.
> 
> For instance, in the mid 90's when you got your first computer a lot
> of mainstream gamers, myself included, had already had plenty of
> experience with other consoles. I myself am a child of the 80's so
> played the Atari 26000, Ataari 7800, the Collecovision, the original
> NES, and the Super NES all by the time you got your first computer.
> Not only that, but I also played my fair share of Dos games like Duke
> Nukem, Overkill, and other games of that era. So by 95 or 96, when you
> were just starting out, I was already into a number of the big PC
> titles of the day such as Jedi Knight, Dark Forces, Doom, Tomb Raider,
> Mech Warrior, and so on. I had a Logitech Wingman joystick I used
> faithfully with those games. So obviously I cut my teeth on the best
> games that were available for the time when you were only playing
> around with text games or whatever.
> 
> Although, we come from two totally different experiences I don't see
> why any of this means you have to not try to expand your experiences.
> All this talk about not having enough strength or not being man enough
> sounds like excuses to me. Anyone can do anything they want to do if
> they want to. Let's face it your real reason is you don't want to and
> are too apathetic to really sit down with the new technologies and
> learn to use them. Until you deal with your apathy and do it you will
> never go beyond your current skill level. In short, it doesn't matter
> of how early or late you begin learning to use the new technology the
> important thing is if you seriously want to do it or not. As long as
> you come up with excuses not to do it you won't.
> 
> cheers!
> 
> 
>> On 8/10/14, shaun everiss <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I wish I came from your background tom.
>> Yes there were consoles, but no one had the cash to own one yet alone
>> set one up.
>> This is not really a sob though it may sound like it but before 1993
>> I never used any computters at all.
>> No one did, the family got their first system in 1995 before that we
>> had an old box we used for games and dad had a couple of older
>> laptops I used to turn off and on.
>> I got my first real computer in 1995 and everyone got online in 1997.
>> between that and 2003 we used dialup.
>> And since I had a dos system my games came from dad's and friend's
>> floppys and cds.
>> When it all went down the tubes I had old dos and some windows games
>> using the keyboard.
>> I have never been man enough to try to really use a joystick for
>> games myself or a mouse or even a touchscreen.
>> Most of my childhood was on nothing at all and later on it was the
>> keyboard all the way.
>> In fact so much so that unless I have a keyboard in front of me I
>> find things so forign  that I end up reguarding everything that is
>> not a keyboard or not using windows totally crap probably because I
>> never worked up the strength to try to use one of had the chance so I
>> guess if I had started with a mouse or stick earlier in life that it
>> makes a difference.
>> And while I may go on boasting on all my projects probably part of
>> that is so I look good i guess.
>> Che did say once when he got mad once with me going off the top was
>> that I was still fresh still new.
>> At the time I thought  he was a stupid idiot but he is right in a way.
>> For the 30 years or so of my life I have only got into computers for
>> the last 20 and really realistically have only got into my own with a
>> keyboard interface for the last 10 years and got to where I can say I
>> can use a system reasonably in the last 5.
>> I don't pretend to be smarter than some of the guys on here because I
>> am not in some ways.
>> I say the keyboard is better because all other experiences I have had
>> with other devicfes didn't work out.
>> Maybe some day I will have to try again or maybe I will learn I have
>> always wanted to do so.
>> But as long as there are ways to play with a keyboard then I will
>> probably always do so.
>> The same goes with my phone a touch screen makes me so uncomfortable
>> that I'd rather have a keyboard phone.
>> I envy those that have had the experience and have managed I right
>> now don't feel i could may never do so.
>> Pluss my friends and family have no idea how I would manage touch
>> either having not experienced how blind people would interact with it
>> themselves.
>> I have barely touched console games.
>> The only games I have played are interactive fiction and the old
>> blind games of the early 90s and 2000s to draw on which is not that much.
>> Even with the stuff I do now its all for the keyboard and while swamp
>> was with the mouse I really never mastered the game fully.
>> One of these days that may change who knows.
> 
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