Hello Steven, nice to meet you off the island.

The problem of trolls is not a matter of sight; we've had a few through here
as well.  I shouldn't worry too much about a sudden influx that would cause
any more problems than having a full multi-player game would in any case.

        Chris Bartlett


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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:05 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Sighted view on "Bridging the Gap".

hi Steven.
well I will admit that my experience of graphical gaming on the net is zero,

and the indi games i've played have been download only.

communities there have been fine, and for anyone who plays brouser games 
they'll know that while we get the idiots in games like alterean, core 
exiles and sryth, i don't think anyone's tried to crash the server yet.

However I do wonder, if the situation were this dire, why people bother 
creating new multiplayer games at all?

Certainly new ones come out regularly on retroremakes etc, if however they 
were absolutely! likely to be trolled, hacked and genuinely harassed to 
death you wonder why people would create them?

Maybe it'd be worth contacting the webmaster of retroremakes who has also to

my knolidge built several multiplayer games, and asking for both his opinion

and maybe some tips on avoiding the situaton if it's as inevitable as you 
suggest.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Strait" <crimsonr...@gmail.com>
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:08 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] A Sighted view on "Bridging the Gap".


> Hey there everyone, I'm Hatred, a friend of Aprone. I've been reading
> through the posts about his latest game, Castaways, and I've noticed a 
> small
> topic about Bridging the Gap between Sighted and Blind gamers. Figured I'd
> toss in my thoughts on the topic since I have a different perspective than
> most of you do.
>
> First up, I think that having Blind and Sighted gamers playing together,
> either competitively or cooperatively, would be amazing and I fully 
> support
> the idea. However, as a Sighted gamer, I've seen a lot of the bad things
> that can come from it so I have to warn you that if it's done incorrectly,
> you could end up having a lot more problems than you'd want. From what 
> I've
> seen while browsing through the emails here and the forums at
> Audiogames.net, the Blind gaming community is full of awesome people that
> truly want to play new and inventive games. You guys seem eager to explore
> together, to build together, and to wage war together. That's awesome, and
> as a gamer I love that. Heck, that's one of the reasons I've been pushing
> Aprone to do more multiplayer games! I want to play with you guys too!
> Unfortunately, there are  many Sighted gamers that don't feel the same.
>
> The majority of Sighted gamers are, in essence, similar to Blind gamers.
> They want to relax and enjoy the games they love with cool people. 
> However,
> there are many that feel that they have the right to ruin the fun for
> everyone. Hackers, Spammers, Trolls, and just regular old Idiots run 
> rampant
> on many multiplayer games, set on causing havoc for the sake of their own
> twisted fun. Aprone and I actually first met in a small game called Babo
> Violent 2, a multiplayer shooter game. We played together, and eventually
> became good friends. The game was fast, fun, and easy to pick up and play.
> However, it had little to no hack protection. I'll admit, I was one of the
> Hackers that found a lot of the security holes and had some fun seeing 
> what
> I could do with the game. However, I wasn't malicious about it. I simply 
> did
> it on my own, away from other players so as not to ruin their fun.
> Unfortunately, a large number of players thought differently. They ran
> rampant, making themselves invincible, cheating in the game, harassing 
> other
> players, and even crashing the servers if they were bored. At one time
> players couldn't even get into a game because the servers were down
> constantly. It's sad but true, some people truly enjoy causing other 
> people
> grief.
>
> Now, I'm not saying that you all should avoid having sighted players play
> with you. By all means, I think that goal is great and you should pursue 
> it
> full force. However, be aware that with it comes some pretty hefty 
> problems.
> It will require developers to rethink how they code their games. They'll
> have to take into consideration some form of anti-cheat programming, or 
> even
> have a way for admins to remove cheaters from the game. It's definitely
> doable but will require a lot more work to make it happen.
>
> Anyways, my long rant is over. Lol! Keep gaming my friends!
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