On 5/3/02 1:14 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >>> They _will_ be apache people. >> >> Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a >> bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality. > > The project was aproved by the PMC - so their commiters _are_ > jakarta commiters, in the same role and position as you and me. I never argued otherwise. The discussion wasn't timestamped, so *now* it was approved, but when the discussion started, they weren't. > > ( probably it'll take few days/weeks to get the cvs set up and > the accounts created, but this is technical detail ). > > >> One of the requirements of bringing in a project is to have a champion, the >> point being (as I understand it) to help ensure smooth integration into the >> Apache/Jakarta community. > > And a jakarta commiter made the proposal - that qualify ( I'm not sure > I've seen any formal requirement, I though it's only 'desirable' ). > Of course they qualify. Please stop trying to spin this. I am being honest and open here, and have nothing to gain from this happening other than more volunteer work for the community. > I don't know what 'smooth integration' is - getting them the NIH > virus and a taste for endless flame wars ? LOL > >> Generally (not specifically in this case) you wouldn't (well, I wouldn't) >> want to bring in a group of people that didn't want to participate in the >> community as a whole. That's sourceforge, isn't it? > > I believe (hope) they had a vote and all their commiters agree with > the move. Otherwise it would be ilegal to change the copyright - all > @ holders must agree. What I was thinking of has nothing to do with that. I assumed that all was well legally. I mean participate in the Jakarta/Apache community. Again, I am speaking generally. > >> a committer, but says nothing about if they are in any alignment with the >> goals and principles of the ASF. > > And who is ? > > Are the people involved in the current threads on jakarta-general > in 'alignment with the principles and goals of the ASF' ? Generally, I think so. There is no 'test' to get in. There is no measure taken of community compatibility. Suppose Jboss wanted to become a Jakarta project.... I was not a founder of Jakarta. I am a relative newbie. I started by participating in an existing community, contributing ideas, code and arguing with Jon Stevens. For whatever reason, they let me in :) So from my POV, my views about OSS were shaped by the Jakarta community as well as long time ASF members. I think that is a good way to be brought into the community as it assures some degree of convergence. Of course, too much convergence is boring - new ideas and approaches are necessary to keep it interesting. (Unless we are talking about 'standards', I guess ;) > I can't speak for others, but I don't feel any 'ASF spirit' > when I read jakarta-general. And why do you think that is? I have a theory - it's only a theory - and that is with a diversified interest base, there is enough dissonance in POV that it gets amplified by the impersonal and non-emotive nature of email. People come across in different ways. Using Jon Stevens as an example, he one of the nicest people I know. Really. I only know this because of our in-person meetings. I liked him when I knew him only by his online persona, but never understood and appreciated his full personality until we met in person. I think anyone who has met and talked with him will agree. >> Really? The point, as I see it, is simply to help organize the greater >> Apache community by subject of interest. > > And the projects are doing exactly that. > Hm. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research & Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
