Hi Andrew, > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:acoliver@;apache.org] > Sent: 20 October 2002 16:09 > To: 'Jakarta General List' > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta > > Just FYI, you have failed to provide sufficient outside-of-jakarta > marketing.
Thanks for the information! You know what I like about you? It is the faith that you have in yourself and in the fact that you know it all... > Where I work, lots of people talk about "maybe we should use > cactus", and heck there are those who use all sorts of things from the > Java Developers Journal that they have insufficient knowledge and > experience to carry off. (Yes you can write an object cache... But why > would you, and why would you do it in your stateless session beans)... > But cactus is a well kept secret. Its one that gets whispered often. > > From my limited experience, marketing (ugh!) is just as important as > anything else to increase your community size. Interesting... However, I do believe the opposite (and maybe I am wrong)! I believe Cactus is victim of its success ... rather than it's lack of ... If you check the cactus stats (http://jakarta.apache.org/cactus/stats/index.html), you will find it is receiving quite a lot of attention (1500-2500 visits per day). It gets between 500-1500 downloads per day which is quite honorable for such a "niche" project (not only it is unit testing but only J2EE-related unit testing). Note: I don't like too much the stats from webalizer and I have started using awstats (http://jakarta.apache.org/~vmassol/awstats/awstats.jakarta.apache.org.h tml) as an experiment. Much better stats I think (except the history). Cactus is well advertised and easy to find (junit, google, a book with Cactus in the title, several others having a chapter on Cactus, several articles on the web, reviews in magazines, a book in progress I am writing, etc). I completely agree with you on marketing which is why I have worked on that since day one of Cactus ... I may not be doing enough of it (who does?) but it already takes all my night time work ... ;-) That said, I only wish to learn and I would love to know some more tricks from you! Thanks -Vincent > > -Andy > > On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 10:23, Vincent Massol wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Howard M. Lewis Ship [mailto:hlship@;attbi.com] > > > Sent: 20 October 2002 14:36 > > > To: Jakarta General List > > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta > > > > > > I don't have a way to qualify this, but I'm very concerned about > > growing > > > the > > > community, and therefore I'm very careful not to be arbitrary. > > Everything > > > is a discussion, and I prefer that person X be happy with the ultimate > > > decision, preferably agreeing with it. > > > > > > I've tried to before to spur more organization, but that didn't really > > get > > > started. The problem is, developers are too happy, I think. The > > > framework > > > does mostly what they need, bugs fixes and improvements happen, so > > there > > > hasn't been a need to get involved. A move to Jakarta will *force* a > > few > > > people (and I know who they are) to step forward, since other wise, by > > the > > > rules, nothing will actually happen. > > > > I'm interested to know more about this last part... I have moved Cactus > > from SF to Jakarta a bit more than a year ago and I've found that I > > haven't been able to grow much the number of committers. I believe there > > are 2 possible reasons: > > > > 1/ Cactus (server-side unit testing - J2EE ATM) is too much of a niche > > and people think there's not much more to do in that domain (quite > > wrongly I can assure you ... :-)) > > > > 2/ Cactus is a victim of its success. From the beginning I have tried to > > work hard to provide everything: documentation, quick answers to ML, > > quick fixes, be customer driven, etc. Thus, as you say, people do not > > participate because it works and the projects moves forward by itself > > (so it seems ;-)). > > > > So I'm not sure why you say that a move to jakarta would change point 2/ > > (which seems to be Tapestry's case). I'm interested in knowing if you > > have a magic recipe that I could apply ... :-) > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > PS: BTW, how do you unit test tapestry components? ;-) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:06, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > > > > "Benevolent dictatorship". Probably should have expanded on this. > > > Without > > > > a formal comittee or voting system, I've reserved the right to > > > ultimately > > > > decide what goes into the framework and what doesn't. > > > > > > Start changing now. I don't know how long it will be before you come > > to > > > Apache > > > but there is no harm and considerable benefit in moving to this model > > > IMHO. > > > It would also enhance your chances of making it into Apache. > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Peter Donald > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > Logic: The art of being wrong with confidence... > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > -- > http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for business > http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document in > Java > http://krysalis.sourceforge.net/centipede - the best build/project > structure > a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex > Projects! > The avalanche has already started. 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