>> 
>> I'm sorry, I hallucinated that we were having all of these discussions
>> about
>> the future of jakarta and how to best reorganize it on
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Remember what you said.  You said that "decisions were being made in
> private".
>

Oh yes, I hallucinated the [VOTE] threads too.  Damn those hallucinations.
I hallucinated the refactoring proposal and everything.
 
>> 
>>>> Which is IMHO, PRECISELY why it should take place here.  Why should
>>>> we
>>>> describe it if when we can let it describe itself?
>>> 
>>> Here I disagree with you, and what you are saying isn't FUD - it's
>>> just
>>> that I disagree.  See the difference?
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm not sure you do.
> 
> But do you see the difference, right? One is a disagreement, and one is
> you making things up.
>

No Gier, take a deep breath and determine whether you distinguish yourself
with this conversation.  I shall give you the honor of the last word.

-Andy
 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> The ironic thing is that the upshot of what we are discussing is how
>>>>> to
>>>>> make governance of Jakarta as inclusive as possible :)
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Glad you caught that.
>>> 
>>> The private list of any PMC has it's place.  The specific problem we
>>> are solving has to do with governance of Jakarta and how to bring as
>>> much of the community as possible into that governance process to make
>>> things as transparent and accountable as possible.  Because there is
>>> this specific problem, I think that the private list is fine venue for
>>> the PMC to organize how it is going to approach the problem,
>>> especially
>>> since it's clear that we want to bring this to general@ ASAP.
>>> 
>> 
>> Ironic.
>> 
>>> Ignoring this is convenient to support a position characterizing
>>> Jakarta as not open, but ignores the facts of the matter, IMO.
>>> 
>> 
>> Yeah right.  I favor all of the present discussion on PMC@ take place
>> here.
>> No more secret discussions except when they MUST be secret...  Openness
>> isn't always convenient.
> 
> And thinking things through isn't either.  But sometimes it must be
> done.
> 
> geir
> 
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