> Yep, that's a decision we all make in contributing to the ASF communities.
> Are you happy to go with the commuhnity view, or want to keep things
> closer to your chest.

I think too that it's maybe a little easier to go with the community view
when its a project you didn't yourself give birth to :)

> Or rather, you are getting involved with others. I suspect that the
> process would begin by restructuring the Jakarta bits, and then pulling in
> the external code.

I think your point is a good one... there is enough already within the
foundation to get this project off the ground, and nothing says I can't
come back a few months down the road and offer up my stuff at that point. 
Might even be easier at that point to see if the fit is truly right.

> I've not looked at your code, but the numbers my arse suggests based on
> how much of my code got in would be 20% straight in, 20% with
> modifications and 60% not in. Of that 60% not in, I killed half because
> someone else had put bits in, especially in Collections, but that's less
> likely to happen here I suspect.

Yeah, those are the kinds of percentages I can't imagine being happy
with... the two 20's are fine, but that 60 stands out in a negative way
for me.  Of course I know you nor anyone else can say right now what it
would really wind up being, but your experience is a good general guide
for me.

> Probably not; it'd be a trademark issue at that point. One of those "If we
> don't defend the trademark against WP4J Jr, we can't depend it against
> Evil Company's WP4J product".

I kind of thought so as I was typing that :)

> Let's do that. The suggested name of Web Parts does cause us to jump the
> gun a lot in terms of assumptions, so I'll go ahead and call a vote with
> Web Parts included but with a big note that it affects how we go ahead
> with the subproject.

I think that's the best plan.  If everyone winds up really strongly being
in favor of Web Parts then there can be some discussion on how to make
that work.  But no sense going down that road if the consensus is for
something else anyway.

> My gut feel is that there's a high chance you won't be happy with the way
> things would play out; ie) everyone could agree that AJAX components were
> outside scope or something.

Yes, I suspect your right.  There are certain decisions I could live with
without much trouble at all, but there are some that I'm not sure I could
go along with.  If I get involved later and I don't like the decisions, I
can just bail and no one is hurt, but if I agree to certain things now and
then find I don't like how its going I'm locked-in to an extent and it
becomes painful, so better to avoid that up-front.

> Hen

Frank

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