One last thought, I would like to call this effort "Sea Worm".
Michael
On May 13, 2011 7:29pm, Michael Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Andrew,
I did not have that extreme degree of aeration in mind. And, I can not
see "massively enhanced methane excursions" happening if reasonable
bubblers designs are developed. First and formost, the core of the
concept is to increase the O2 saturation a few percent for as deep as
practical without oxygenating the sea floor colonies and then start
growing a capture/use means. I am not looking to sink ships with this
idea!!!!! Although, I could if taken to the extreme and had the money.
The aeration part of the concept is to deploy the ocean equivalent of
garden soaker hoses!!! However, I did not go into technical detail and so
I can't blame you for going to the maximum extreme. With that said, if
everyone wants to jump in on this concept and help bootstrap it up, I
have no problems with that. I welcome collaboration, not being clobbered!
Mixers are fine but they have significant limitations that I would like
to work around. Lack of depth of penetration, high energy and maintenance
are significant considerations in using mixers. If the use of mixers must
be adopted, my recommendations for modifications for this use are below.
The firm Albert pointed to could probably help with the prototypes and
they may want to be CC. Albert, I was very impressed with your other post
today, thanks.
First, these are the design points I would work towards and would look
for in any system:
1) Little to no maintenance.
2) Ease of deployment/retrieval and no longer than 18m/60ft (shipping
restrictions) We are looking at using commercial fishing vessels for
normal deployment/retrieval.
3) Low cost durable hull.
4) Adjustable depth of penetration.
5) Mass production.
6) Opportunities to stimulate production of new technologies ie. Hydrogen
Fuel Cells, advanced materials etc
This is just the start of a design criteria list and so please feel free
to pitch in. I don't think the above list need explanation with the
possible exception of #6.
If this project ever goes forward, we have an opportunity to put new
technologies into mass production. I think this project has the potential
unit numbers to see a significant drop in consumer prices for any "new
tech" we adopt. Small fuels cells are a case in point. Throughout this
effort, I encourage everyone to "shop around" for new tech/materials and
post. I have my own ideas, but I am looking forward to a
collaboration....here in the open....to get this moved to the prototype
stage.
Second, I have been through the patent and product development routine
and know just how complicated this can be....or not be. I personally,
would prefer the latter. This is a rather simple idea and has room for
many people giving input. The IP issue will work itself out and I have no
intentions of dyeing with a bank full of money. I just believe this is
worth a trying.
Here are my recommendations for adopting a mixer aerator product for this
use:
To provide for adjustable depth penetration, I would choose a segmented
design which, through adding/subtracting segments, can provide the needed
depth adjustment. Here is the hull I would first look at
http://www.canadaculvert.com/hdpe.php Simple, cheap, flexible and readily
available. Penetrating as deep as possible has important advantages
relative to oxidation time.
Each end of the conduit would be fitted with a short internal
scaffolding. This scaffolding can have a number of functions. The primary
functions are to provide for connecting the segments together, giving
rigid support for the system, providing equipment attachment points and
anchoring points. The scaffolding can be made out of any durable/material.
This configuration can thus have multiple internal impellers staged along
the conduit if needed. Also. this configuration allows for the main power
and motor units to be at or close to the surface while energizing other
internal/external equipment at depth if needed through appropriate means.
So, that is my idea of a basic structural starting point. I believe it is
reasonable and meets the design criteria listed.
As an inventor, I would like to throw out some "wild" possibilities just
so it is on the record. High temp. super conductors/coils/magnets may
find a use here as a pumping means, deployment/relocation means and
energy storage means (water cooling is a given). Graphene will find a
home here. Wave energy additions will be added. Interferometry will be
utilized. Means for pH balancing will also find a home here. These are
just some ideas for the future. They Are Not For Immediate
Consideration!!!! Your ideas? Sci-Fi writers could have a field day with
this concept.
Please jump in and post your thoughts. I do hope this can be a quick and
productive effort.
Michael
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