In a message dated: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:37:39 EDT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>On 7 Jul 2002, at 9:26pm, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:
>> The people saying that they should be able to run whatever they want *ARE*
>> the IT department.
>
>  It seemed obvious to me that that is not the case.  If they were the IT
>department, the IT department would not be telling them to do something they
>did not want to do.

Unless, like in many large companies, there are multiple "IT" groups. 
I've been in several different situations like this where I was the 
UNIX/Engineering IT person and there was a completely separate 
"Business IT" group to support all non-engineering needs.

This is the situation I find myself in today.  I was hired to be the 
engineering "UNIX guy", but the "corporate standard" for desktops is 
Windows.  Since I'm the one supporting UNIX, I put a UNIX on my desk 
in the form of Linux.  The only "corporate IT" support I require is 
when it comes to accessing corporate maintained systems.

In one case this was in the form of a request for them to run an IMAP 
server so I could use fetchmail.  They fortunately said yes.  They 
well could have said no, and would have happily accepted that, since 
I still had options in the form of Codeweavers and/or Ximian for 
access to an Exchange server.  If I have a problem with my OS, corp. 
IT won't help me get that new .dep or .rpm installed, nor will they 
assist with my e-mail client questions.  But I don't expect them to, 
since a) they haven't a clue if it's not MS, and  b) they officially 
don't support *any* of the sw I use.

I would like to clarify some things in this debate.  When I first 
started the campaign against the "I'm forced to use Windows" claim, I:

        a) took that as "It's an all Windows company, and I don't 
           want to go through all the work/hassle it might take to 
           get Linux on my system" excuse to whine about Windows.

        b) interpreted it as a claim made strictly in reference to a 
           single user's desktop system on which they were the sole user

        c) have had less than 2 consecutive hours of sleep since last 
           Tuesday, and may have come across sounding a whole lot more harsh 
            than I meant to :)

-- 

Seeya,
Paul
----
        It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing,
   but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away.

         If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!



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