On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Federico Mena Quintero <feder...@gnome.org > wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 16:34 -0500, Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: > > > While the close operation is common, it's not frequent, and therefore > > might not require visual representation on-screen all the time. > > Huh, I use the Close button pretty frequently. I guess I'm still > scarred from when Esc didn't work in every dialog by default. > Me too. I don't do file->quit since it's a lot easier to access the close button. But not all apps behave the same unfortunately. > > > Both the application menu in the top bar and the close buttons in the > > overview are well discoverable. Right now, the application menu has > > one Quit option, and the user actually needs to make a decision > > whether they want to fully quit the application with all its windows > > before going for that option. Having both Quit and Close Window (if > > applicable) options in that menu would inform the user of the choice > > they have and allow to use that feature as the central way of closing > > a window or an application. > > My main problem with removing the Close button is a combination of > things: > > - The Close button is relevant to a single window. It's nicely *in* the > window right now. Your proposal would put it far away from the window > (thus losing context), and would make it not immediately visible (you'd > need to open the app menu first - probably discoverable, as you say, but > far from obvious). My experience with non-technical users (say, my > wife) is that if they don't see something on the screen, they won't know > that that something is actually available. > There are some apps where using the "quit" button won't make sense. Terminals being the foremost one. I believe for gnome-terminal they are still using the same factory so a quit on terminal it remove all terminals, right? As a new user I think I would feel pretty intimidated if I got a bunch of windows that didn't have a close button. It would require some training for them to use the other method because just about every other UI out there uses a close button and is an established UI. Combined with the fact that there are exceptions like the terminal, I think that would lead to some confusion. sri
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