I agree with Jan in the part of his intervention that I kept below. I should have said that researchers, in looking for literature, should find themselves naturally and quickly led to repositories (and OA journals). That is where the real OA advantage would begin to show up. We are far from this.
In the case of repositories, how do we do this? I now go back to Peter's suggestion of a high-level meeting. Action, please! Jean-Claude Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 à 15:28 +0200, Jan Velterop a écrit : [snip] > > As for 2), we must realise that researchers won't "turn to > repositories" to search the literature. They use search engines. So > the relevant contents of repositories must be prominently visible in > the search results of search engines. > > > If articles in repositories cannot be easily found and used and > re-used in a way that can reasonably be expected from true open access > material, the exercise is useless, from a user's perspective. > > > Jan > > > > > On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:58, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote: > > > > > The discussion presently going on is divisive and not useful. Both > > Gold and Green are useful. Every little bit helps. Everybody is > > doing as well as he/she can, and we all know it is not enough. Let > > us at least trust each others' motives, please. > > > > Let us, therefore, go back to the basic idea of Peter, regarding the > > possibility of convening a high-level group of administrators of > > universities and research institutions. I would add high-level > > people from granting agencies; researchers should also be involved, > > especially those who, like Stuart Shieber, have managed getting > > faculty-initiated mandates. Such a meeting has never been done > > before. The BIOAI10 meeting in Budapest last February focused on > > broad strategies rather than concrete strategic moves. > > > > Stevan has mentioned the group "Enabling Open Scholarship" led by > > Bernard Rentier. First, Bernard is the perfect person to start the > > move toward a meeting of the kind suggested by Peter by virtue of > > his institutional standing. Perhaps this group is the right anchor > > for such a move. How can we join this group, or how can we work with > > it? We hear about it episodically, but nothing much seems to have > > come out of it so far. Would this not be the best occasion to really > > get this organization off the ground? > > > > The goal: convene a limited but high-power group of administrators > > and researchers to develop a policy aiming at effective, immediate > > implementation of the green road, and do so in a unified manner. The > > implementation details should constitute a major part of this > > meeting: we seem to know broadly what we want, but we have not yet > > fully agreed on the the means to make it 100% effective. If > > researchers are evaluated only from what is in repositories, they > > will deposit. Now, why are so few institutions ready to implement > > such a policy? Are funders of research really ready to apply similar > > rules to the evaluation of applicants? Questions like these should > > be at the centre of this meeting. > > > > The green road will have succeeded when researchers spontaneously > > turn to repositories to search the literature. We are very far from > > this and mandates are only one step in the right direction. The goal > > of this meeting is to build decisive momentum. > > > > Anyone on board? > > > > Jean-Claude > > > > > > > > Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 à 10:00 +0200, Jan Velterop a écrit : > > > > > If ever one needed an argument in favour of 'gold' OA, here it is. > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:48, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 13 juil. 2012 à 09:32, Peter Murray-Rust <pm...@cam.ac.uk> a écrit : > > > > > > > >> What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which > > > >> are visible at time of publication? > > > > > > > > None, of course! > > > > Just ask for an e-print when you are in thé ORBi web site and we'll > > > > send it at once. It's Green, not Gold! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > GOAL mailing list > > > > GOAL@eprints.org > > > > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > GOAL mailing list > > > GOAL@eprints.org > > > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > > > _______________________________________________ > > GOAL mailing list > > GOAL@eprints.org > > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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