Katrina, you've said you are willing to look at complaints and adjust accordingly so please try to write more succinctly. I agree that you tend to go off topic and generally write way too much about a certain topic, only serving to drive it further off topic. Example:
"To be fully fair: Any of the threads I have participated in have not been that overly technical threads. I think I have participated in the Source 2010/E3 thread and this one of this particular list. That I can just name. I am not the sort to just jump into a C++ thread and random state some retarded notion or another. Please, I would advise you do not make accusations I do. However, you do bring up a point. There have been a few threads in here, that were not that technical in any of there nature. Perhaps so we do not get this sort of stuff again, we could do a form of meta- mailing list of sorts?" Becomes: "I haven't found this list to be entirely technical discussions, which I will admit I am not always equipped to discuss. Can anyone suggest a place where the non-technical discussions can be explored further?" To which the reply would be, the occassional non-technical discussion on here is tolerated but not if taken overboard by people we are not familiar with yet. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Katrina Payne <[email protected] > wrote: > To be fully fair: > > Any of the threads I have participated in have not been that overly > technical > threads. > > I think I have participated in the Source 2010/E3 thread and this one of > this > particular list. That I can just name. > > I am not the sort to just jump into a C++ thread and random state some > retarded notion or another. > > Please, I would advise you do not make accusations I do. > > However, you do bring up a point. > > There have been a few threads in here, that were not that technical in any > of > there nature. > > Perhaps so we do not get this sort of stuff again, we could do a form of > meta- > mailing list of sorts? > > ~Katrina > > On Monday, July 26, 2010 04:46:41 pm Chris Deegan wrote: > > > > Dear rest of list: sorry for feeding the troll/sociopath and adding to > this > already ruined topic. > > > > Dear Katrina, > > > > Just in case you are not a troll, I will afford you an explanation. > > > > This list is for the discussion of programming and technical issues for > the > Half Life SDK. You see, the way this works best is if people with SDK > related > questions mail, and smart people like many of the regulars here respond > with > useful technical information. This benefits all users of the SDK, it is one > of > the best resources. > > > > However, this resource is diminished when trolls or people like yourself > turn up and start writing a whole bunch of personal crap, anecdotes, > arguments, non-technical stuff etc. In fact I am now guilty too. Please > think > before you write. Go for a walk or something. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > On 27/07/2010, at 8:17 AM, Katrina Payne <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > First off: it was not me that started this OT shullbit drivel. > > > > > > Point the finger in the right place, please. > > > > > > And really, I only played it, because of complete puzzlement as to any > other > > > reason you guys seem to respond in this douche baggery type way. > > > > > > Going ala my favourite logical fallacy, "the sheer lack of a Nirvana > logical > > > fallacy". > > > > > > As essentially, I get this stuff about me doing walls of text, or just > talking > > > crap--what is next is the usually "you think you are better than > everybody > > > else" shullbit accusation. > > > > > > I really have no idea--as nobody, ever, in the history of the > internets, > has > > > ever really taken my "OMG! walls of text" and really bothered to > explain > WHAT > > > any elements are irrelevant. > > > > > > I have just came to understand that "wall of text" either means: > > > 1) Reader has chronic ADHD... probably should not be participating in > what > is > > > essentially a written medium > > > 2) Reader has a really low reading comprehension level. After a few > previous > > > threads, this seems about right. > > > 3) Reader somehow has decided because I am apparently female, and > speaking > > > confidently... I must think I am better than them--or some such > retarded > notion > > > like that. > > > > > > Now, understand, I tried to reroute this by mentioning the trolls > dolls-- > as > > > you can see in this discussions' history. Take a lighter side of > things. > > > Possibly try to defuse this situation. > > > > > > But no, I play the sexist card once, and suddenly I show my true > colours. > > > Which to be really fair, there have been previous threads where, I have > played > > > it, but in a joking manner to indicate embarrassment--just to show a > different > > > use I did for it. > > > > > > Now, then, come off that high fvcking horse of yours. > > > > > > Yes, sometimes I am wrong. I can admit that. Though, from the looks of > things, > > > I am the only person here that is willing to admit to this. > > > > > > Right--but between either what the correct issues here of chronic ADHD > or > low > > > reading comprehension, you probably have not gotten to this paragraph. > > > > > > Anyways--look, I must apologise if I have am being bitter. > > > > > > I just hate being told I took something OT, that somebody else did long > before > > > me. I also hate having these walls of text complains come up for a > medium > that > > > IS ONLY EVER DONE IN TEXT. > > > > > > If we were not to have walls of it ever, we would be doing this on IRC > or > > > twitter... not a mailing list software. > > > > > > Have a great day. > > > ~Katrina > > > > > > On Monday, July 26, 2010 04:08:39 pm Chris Deegan wrote: > > >> > > >> Omfg. Can we stay on topic. And Katrina, you wanna play the sexism > card > > > without any reason? Nice one, really shows your true colours. Please go > troll > > > some other list. I'm tired of your bullshit OT drivel. > > >> > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 27/07/2010, at 7:56 AM, Katrina Payne < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> -blinks- > > >>> > > >>> You know--I should simply start collecting those dolls now. > > >>> > > >>> As from a lot of what people say, it appears to be a thing I should > > > collect. > > >>> > > >>> Go all Meme Bobeck on that stuff. > > >>> > > >>> ~Katrina > > >>> > > >>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:49:39 pm Casey Doran wrote: > > >>>> ITT: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Katrina Payne > > > <[email protected] > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Right--so back to the kitchen with me--or whatever crap I obviously > do > > > not > > >>>>> know, as I got a few details wrong and lack a Y chromosone... or > some > > > such > > >>>>> ridiculous notion. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Because we all know, none of you ever get any minor details wrong. > Which > > >>>>> means, you are never talking crap. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And trust me--I do not rant on every bloody thread in this list. In > > > fact, > > >>> I > > >>>>> think there have been maybe five or six. So, if this list is made > up of > > >>>>> five or > > >>>>> six threads, than I agree. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Have a good day. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ~Katrina > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:43:24 pm Cory de La Torre wrote: > > >>>>>> We need to turn this HLCoders list to Katrina Payne "Never Stops > > >>> talking" > > >>>>>> List. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Katrina Payne < > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Protip: I am not doing anything. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Unless you can state what it is, and evidence I am doing it. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Nobody has, so I am going to say I am not doing anything that I > have > > >>>>> not > > >>>>>>> already apologised for and adjusted on. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ~Katrina > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:34:38 pm Dexter wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Katrina, > > >>>>>>>> Pro-tip, you're still doing it.. and it doesn't have to do with > > >>>>> Spanish > > >>>>>>> :D > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Katrina Payne > > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:01:05 pm Rodrigo 'r2d2rigo' Diaz > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Katryna, I find amusing how you always talk about crap you > don't > > >>>>> have > > >>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>> clue > > >>>>>>>>>> about, and rant for 20-30 lines. The signature said "Nuevo > > >>>>> Hotmail", > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>> it's a campaign for the new MSN Live! features being deployed. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Look, I made a mistranslation for Neuvo for a word that sounds > > >>>>> similar > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> English nova. Which the Spanish word that pronounces similar to > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> English > > >>>>>>>>> nova has the translation I did. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Also, to be fair, I really have no idea why any website would > need > > >>>>> a > > >>>>>>> new > > >>>>>>> web > > >>>>>>>>> domain just to advertise new features. Or if it is local, why > they > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>>> still > > >>>>>>>>> using ".com". > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> So, I saw this site, and generally just assumed it was a > phishing > > >>>>>>> site--or > > >>>>>>>>> some form of knock off. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I will assume that this is another bad habit I have attributed > > >>> from > > >>>>> my > > >>>>>>> days on > > >>>>>>>>> the web (this stuff appeared a lot more often in the late > nineties, > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> early > > >>>>>>>>> 00s). > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> There are a few of these that I need to adjust as they are no > > >>>>> longer > > >>>>>>> helpful-- > > >>>>>>>>> and only hurt me. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes, he looks Spanish/South American. Yes, he doesn't have a > clue > > >>>>>>> about > > >>>>>>>>>> English. Yes, he doesn't have a clue about programming. Just > > >>>>> another > > >>>>>>> kiddie > > >>>>>>>>>> with the "OMG i want to maek t3h Kaunter > Straiekk!!11oneoneon1! > > >>>>>>> 1eleelven!!1" > > >>>>>>>>>> idea. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Yes, I understand that this likely is a "OMG! I got teh roxxers > > >>>>> ideas!" > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand what that feeling is like. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I also understand what it feels like to learn that you cannot > do > > >>>>> that. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I also understand the feeling of hitting the books to get to > the > > >>>>> point > > >>>>>>> where > > >>>>>>>>> you could conceivably do it. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> There is just one requirement. Somebody to be patient with this > > >>>>> crap. > > >>>>>>> Every > > >>>>>>>>> programmer tends to have cycle that we all have gone through to > > >>> get > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> our > > >>>>>>>>> current spot. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The main reason we tend to hate these people is we feel > > >>> embarrassed > > >>>>> for > > >>>>>>> when > > >>>>>>>>> we were that stupid. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Everybody here has done this stuff at one time or another. It > is > > >>>>>>> essentially a > > >>>>>>>>> form of being a toddler in the world of game design. Whether we > > >>> did > > >>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>> at > > >>>>>>>>> the age of five, or at the age of sixteen (oh dear sweet > merciless > > >>>>>>> Eris, > > >>>>>>> was I > > >>>>>>>>> bad for this when I was sixteen), or into your mid > twenties--some > > >>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>> in this stage in their fourties and fifties. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Now, you can generally frown, and dislike that the toddler is > > >>>>>>> there--due > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> your own embarrassment from the days where we all did the same > > >>>>> thing. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Which I think reeks of immaturity, BTW. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Or you can change these toddlers' diapers. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> One reek or the other people. I have chosen mine--and it is one > > >>>>> that a > > >>>>>>> few > > >>>>>>>>> tend to have issues agreeing. I can understand this. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Yes, I know I am wrong (oh damn--have I been wrong lots)... the > > >>>>> thing > > >>>>>>> is... we > > >>>>>>>>> are all just fvcking this up as we go along. Especially the > > >>>>> successful > > >>>>>>> people. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Nothing to see here, citizens. Move along. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> 2010/7/26 Katrina Payne <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well the signature appeared to be for "Neuvo Hotmail". That > is > > >>>>>>>>>>> neuvohotmail.com . > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Which does not strike me as any name any spanish hotmail > > >>> service > > >>>>>>> would > > >>>>>>>>> ever > > >>>>>>>>>>> think to use. Neuvo translates roughly to "no go", > > >>>>> "nonexistant", > > >>>>>>>>>>> "nothing", > > >>>>>>>>>>> "nada", "not there". > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, and I will give you on the LAN version being the only > > >>>>> current > > >>>>>>> real > > >>>>>>>>>>> reason. I said a few times that I considered the other > reasons > > >>>>> to > > >>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>> entirely > > >>>>>>>>>>> fictional at the current time. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Even to the point of the ridiculous comparison to C'thulhu > and > > >>>>>>> Activision > > >>>>>>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>>>>> the only reason that the others could work. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Though, I am very leery of believing most of the countries > said > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>> high > > >>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>> piracy really are. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> As well, Canada is currently in that list of countries with > > >>>>> large > > >>>>>>> amounts > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> software piracy. Which really makes sense as well some > > >>> companies > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>> trying > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> push we get treated, for shipping and what not, much like how > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> USA > > >>>>>>>>>>> treats > > >>>>>>>>>>> trade with China, Russia and Cuba--it is there, but frowned > > >>>>> upon. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> However, I dunno--if he really was a Latin Pirate, using a > > >>>>> Spanish > > >>>>>>> Hotmail > > >>>>>>>>>>> that for some reason was locally called "not there hotmail", > I > > >>>>> doubt > > >>>>>>> he > > >>>>>>>>>>> would > > >>>>>>>>>>> ask the official list for a way to help. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I dunno--and again... the lack of confirmation of the OP > makes > > >>>>> this > > >>>>>>> just > > >>>>>>>>>>> seem > > >>>>>>>>>>> like an even more ridiculous troll. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> However, not going to take the chance it is not, and help > him, > > >>>>> if > > >>>>> he > > >>>>>>>>>>> requires > > >>>>>>>>>>> it. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Oh and defend my own pride--or something silly like that. Or > at > > >>>>>>> least > > >>>>>>>>>>> explain > > >>>>>>>>>>> why I am thinking silly stuff. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 25, 2010 09:17:23 pm ZuM wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well about the situation you said the lan party is the only > > >>>>> reason > > >>>>>>> i > > >>>>>>>>>>> believe > > >>>>>>>>>>>> someone would use the Won version :P > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Or to pirate the game, because if you look you can find > > >>>>> several > > >>>>>>> pirate > > >>>>>>>>>>>> servers, specially in countries with a very high level of > > >>>>> piracy > > >>>>>>> like > > >>>>>>>>>>> Brasil > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also Katrina you mentioned about hotmail, the service is > > >>>>> localized > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> available in a lot of countries, like Argentina, Spain, > > >>> etc... > > >>>>> but > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> adress is always .com only, just like in Gmail, and that > > >>>>> signature > > >>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> localized version for some country :P > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/7/25 Katrina Payne <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, in my situation, I do not have a computer that could > > >>>>>>> comfortably > > >>>>>>>>>>> run > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> either OS Steam is released for. If I could afford it, I > > >>>>> would > > >>>>>>> get > > >>>>>>> an > > >>>>>>>>>>> Apple > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer and get the games on that system. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I really do not understand windows enough to really run it. > > >>>>> As > > >>>>>>> well-- > > >>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> different paradigm of sorts, and I have long since learned > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>> not a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> bad > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> OS, I just really have no clue how to get it to function. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, in the two situations presented here, I win the > > >>>>> lottery > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>> start > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> buying Apple products or Steam is released on Linux, I > > >>> would > > >>>>> pay > > >>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>> games > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that I enjoy. Even if they are not on sale. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Though, the really odd thing is: Valve seems wary of > > >>>>> releasing > > >>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>> Linux > > >>>>>>>>>>> due > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the reasons of "people on Linux want stuff for > free". > > >>>>>>> Though > > >>>>>>>>>>> most > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> users are more anal than me, about paying for stuff. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then on Windows when I cannot afford a piece of software, I > > >>>>> get > > >>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>> nice > > >>>>>>>>>>> loud > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> choir chorus of, "just get it cracked" > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meh--I dunno. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are reasons to have a nonSteam Half Life Mod. Most of > > >>>>> them > > >>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hypothetical, and are not looking like they will happen in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> near > > >>>>>>>>>>> future. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we have the one that people at LAN parties, or run > > >>>>> their > > >>>>>>> systems > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> standalone every now and again tend to complain about: if > > >>>>> they > > >>>>>>> cannot > > >>>>>>>>>>> get > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> outside their immediate network, the game no longer > > >>>>> functions. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, while I can understand the OP's rationale for wanting a > > >>>>>>> nonSteam > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Halflife > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mod if it follows a very legal sense. I am still aware that > > >>>>>>> there > > >>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>> more > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to doubt that the OP has considered these reasons > > >>>>> than > > >>>>>>> there > > >>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> think he is using them. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is: this is looking more and more like a troll > > >>>>> post, > > >>>>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>>>> any > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> further update from the OP. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> And well, considering we have had a few recent posts that > > >>>>> were > > >>>>>>> along > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> lines > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of "testing" and that Gmail invite (thank goodness! Those > > >>>>> are > > >>>>> so > > >>>>>>> rare > > >>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hollowed~!)... I am starting to think that this may have > > >>>>> been a > > >>>>>>> troll. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which has largely resulted in me, and a few others, > > >>>>> preaching > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> choir > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> about various subject matters present. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meh, usually it is at this point the OP comes in, to try to > > >>>>>>> confirm > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> was not a troll post, or something. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 25, 2010 05:23:03 pm Harry Jeffery wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pay for things that are fairly priced. That means all > > >>>>> valve > > >>>>>>> games, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indie games and games that are on sale in steam. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26 July 2010 00:14, Katrina Payne > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah--I really do not agree with software piracy. I > > >>> tend > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>> very > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> anal > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself with any agreements and contracts are signed. > > >>>>> People > > >>>>>>> who > > >>>>>>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> credit > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due get it and all. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was why I listed a few hypothetical situations > > >>>>> where a > > >>>>>>>>> cracked > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> game > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> may > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be needed to work without it being for the wrong > > >>>>>>> reasons--and > > >>>>>>> one > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared a few times (the LAN one). > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though, the only way most of those would work, is if > > >>>>>>> Activision > > >>>>>>>>>>> bought > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valve-- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or some other similar occurrence that best fits in a > > >>>>> pulp > > >>>>>>> horror > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> novelette > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> than > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mailing list. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And like I said: even if he did get to a point where he > > >>>>>>> could > > >>>>>>>>> start > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> work... it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never get in any real direction. Would not work > > >>>>> quite > > >>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a lot harder to arrange than if he just simply did > > >>>>> one > > >>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>> could > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current moment) do stuff with the Steam Halflife. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and seeing as how I am looking to join the Pirate > > >>>>> Party > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> Canada, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> would > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be best to note, that I, and most other people > > >>> involved, > > >>>>>>> frown > > >>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going, "Pirates?! OMG! FREE CRAP!" > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I tend to spend more on movies, music and games > > >>> than > > >>>>>>> most > > >>>>>>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> who > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not follow these ideas. If anything, since looking into > > >>>>>>> Piracy, > > >>>>>>> I > > >>>>>>>>>>> tend > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MORE anal about making certain developers, artists and > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their works gets what they are owed. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just do not like really invasive copy protection > > >>>>> schemes > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control of the exchange of cultural and information. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I however think that the people who worked hard on this > > >>>>>>> stuff > > >>>>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> get > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> paid > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it, and should be able to eat, have shelter and all > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>> other > > >>>>>>>>>>> fine > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that paying them is suppose to give them. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I am not alone in my views of how this stuff works. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 25, 2010 04:47:17 pm Jonathan Murphy > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cracked versions of Half-Life/Source games used to > > >>> (are > > >>>>>>> still?) > > >>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called Non-Steam distributions because you didn't need > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>> Steam > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed to play them, they instead were distributed > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>>> hacked > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binaries that tricked the game into thinking it was > > >>>>> being > > >>>>>>>>> launched > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Steam. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only limitation to making a mod that works with > > >>>>>>> Non-Steam > > >>>>>>>>>>> distros > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be having the correct version of the source to > > >>>>> build > > >>>>>>> your > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hl.dll/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server.dll. Which might be fairly difficult to find. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as encouragement of piracy is not condoned on this > > >>>>> list > > >>>>>>> I'd > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine you won't find a lot of help here anyway. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2010, at 1:16 PM, Katrina Payne > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 24, 2010 04:44:19 pm Jonas > > >>> 'Sortie' > > >>>>>>> Termansen > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find it ammusing that you follow the trend and > > >>>>> use a > > >>>>>>> more > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated vocabulary as well which will probably > > >>>>>>> leave > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> op > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confused when he runs this through google > > >>>>> translate. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ifdef __INTELLIGENCE__ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just wrap my posts in ifdefs if I don't want some > > >>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> read > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when I don't want anybody to read them at all, > > >>> I > > >>>>>>> encode > > >>>>>>>>>>> them > > >>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EBCDIC. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #endif > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think this guy even has a codebase, at > > >>> least > > >>>>>>> that's > > >>>>>>>>> how > > >>>>>>>>>>> I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand his post, that he is looking for a > > >>>>> Non-Steam > > >>>>>>>>>>> Half-Life > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SDK. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He sounds like he is able to make Steam-based > > >>>>> Half-Life > > >>>>>>> mods > > >>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found some Non-Steam mods, and that he is now > > >>>>> confused > > >>>>>>> how > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though, this HL.dll thing sounds weird to me. Do we > > >>>>> have > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> source > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> list > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archives, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ifdef __INTELLIGENCE__ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extern "Geek Humour" { > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you can always encode them in preISO ASCII-7. > > >>>>> Maybe > > >>>>>>> also > > >>>>>>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translated to 1337 speak based Aremaic, with a few > > >>>>> items > > >>>>>>>>>>> demostrated > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only via > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perl 4 base Jephs (that is, "pretty" code, sometimes > > >>>>>>> ASCII > > >>>>>>> Art > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially does nothing when ran), then encrypted > > >>>>> using > > >>>>>>>>>>> Megatoyko's > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schedule for your key. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }; > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #endif > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be fair. Half Life DOES kind of predate Steam. He > > >>>>> may > > >>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>> found > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> items and elements that were done with Half Life > > >>>>> prior > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> Steam's > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This means he does not have to worry about quite as > > >>>>>>> strict > > >>>>>>> of a > > >>>>>>>>>>> copy > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection scheme. Which has been one of Steam's > > >>>>> biggest > > >>>>>>>>>>> complaints. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mostly > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for games, that lock out, if they cannot talk with a > > >>>>>>> Steam > > >>>>>>>>>>> server > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are okay for it. Which does kind of suck, if > > >>> you > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>>>>> able > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steam on the current computer you are on. Be it for > > >>>>> Valve > > >>>>>>> going > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under, or > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valve shutting down Steam--but not continuing > > >>> certain > > >>>>>>> loved > > >>>>>>>>>>> games > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that used > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this copy protection scheme or you are doing a LAN > > >>>>> party > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> sorts. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though a con is that he would also be using an > > >>>>>>> excessively > > >>>>>>> OLD > > >>>>>>>>>>> code > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We also have a few people that mentioned in the > > >>>>>>> hlds_linux > > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list about > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a project to make a Source Workalike that can get > > >>>>> mods > > >>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use Valve > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properties in them (such as models, gadgets and what > > >>>>> not) > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> work > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without Half > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life 2. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though my understanding was that the Source > > >>> Workalike > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> run > > >>>>>>>>>>> Mods > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that do not > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain Valve IP in them (that is, taking models and > > >>>>> what > > >>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>>>>> from > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Half Life > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1, Half Life 2, Half Life Episodes, TF, TFC, CS, > > >>>>> CS:S, > > >>>>>>> Blue > > >>>>>>>>>>> Shift., > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc., > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc., etc) was only still, at the very most in an > > >>>>> Alpha > > >>>>>>> state, > > >>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>> at > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage of things. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So--there could be a few things that he COULD be > > >>>>> trying > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonSteam > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Half Life Mod run... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just chances are, if he can get them to run--he > > >>> could > > >>>>> not > > >>>>>>> get > > >>>>>>>>>>> them > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run well > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in any way. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>> archives, > > >>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>> archives, > > >>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > 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