Fair enough. You did however miss some of what I was saying--and added a few things into your summary--but most of it is in that summary. It also would feel weird to type it in that manner.
I will figure something out. Anyways, I apologise that when others went overboard, I joined in with them, despite not being familiar to them. ~Katrina On Monday, July 26, 2010 05:16:48 pm Jonathan Murphy wrote: > Katrina, you've said you are willing to look at complaints and adjust > accordingly so please try to write more succinctly. I agree that you tend to > go off topic and generally write way too much about a certain topic, only > serving to drive it further off topic. Example: > > "To be fully fair: > > Any of the threads I have participated in have not been that overly > technical > threads. > > I think I have participated in the Source 2010/E3 thread and this one of > this > particular list. That I can just name. > > I am not the sort to just jump into a C++ thread and random state some > retarded notion or another. > > Please, I would advise you do not make accusations I do. > > However, you do bring up a point. > > There have been a few threads in here, that were not that technical in any > of > there nature. > > Perhaps so we do not get this sort of stuff again, we could do a form of > meta- > mailing list of sorts?" > > Becomes: > > "I haven't found this list to be entirely technical discussions, which I > will admit I am not always equipped to discuss. Can anyone suggest a place > where the non-technical discussions can be explored further?" > > To which the reply would be, the occassional non-technical discussion on > here is tolerated but not if taken overboard by people we are not familiar > with yet. > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Katrina Payne <[email protected] > > wrote: > > > To be fully fair: > > > > Any of the threads I have participated in have not been that overly > > technical > > threads. > > > > I think I have participated in the Source 2010/E3 thread and this one of > > this > > particular list. That I can just name. > > > > I am not the sort to just jump into a C++ thread and random state some > > retarded notion or another. > > > > Please, I would advise you do not make accusations I do. > > > > However, you do bring up a point. > > > > There have been a few threads in here, that were not that technical in any > > of > > there nature. > > > > Perhaps so we do not get this sort of stuff again, we could do a form of > > meta- > > mailing list of sorts? > > > > ~Katrina > > > > On Monday, July 26, 2010 04:46:41 pm Chris Deegan wrote: > > > > > > Dear rest of list: sorry for feeding the troll/sociopath and adding to > > this > > already ruined topic. > > > > > > Dear Katrina, > > > > > > Just in case you are not a troll, I will afford you an explanation. > > > > > > This list is for the discussion of programming and technical issues for > > the > > Half Life SDK. You see, the way this works best is if people with SDK > > related > > questions mail, and smart people like many of the regulars here respond > > with > > useful technical information. This benefits all users of the SDK, it is one > > of > > the best resources. > > > > > > However, this resource is diminished when trolls or people like yourself > > turn up and start writing a whole bunch of personal crap, anecdotes, > > arguments, non-technical stuff etc. In fact I am now guilty too. Please > > think > > before you write. Go for a walk or something. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > On 27/07/2010, at 8:17 AM, Katrina Payne <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > First off: it was not me that started this OT shullbit drivel. > > > > > > > > Point the finger in the right place, please. > > > > > > > > And really, I only played it, because of complete puzzlement as to any > > other > > > > reason you guys seem to respond in this douche baggery type way. > > > > > > > > Going ala my favourite logical fallacy, "the sheer lack of a Nirvana > > logical > > > > fallacy". > > > > > > > > As essentially, I get this stuff about me doing walls of text, or just > > talking > > > > crap--what is next is the usually "you think you are better than > > everybody > > > > else" shullbit accusation. > > > > > > > > I really have no idea--as nobody, ever, in the history of the > > internets, > > has > > > > ever really taken my "OMG! walls of text" and really bothered to > > explain > > WHAT > > > > any elements are irrelevant. > > > > > > > > I have just came to understand that "wall of text" either means: > > > > 1) Reader has chronic ADHD... probably should not be participating in > > what > > is > > > > essentially a written medium > > > > 2) Reader has a really low reading comprehension level. After a few > > previous > > > > threads, this seems about right. > > > > 3) Reader somehow has decided because I am apparently female, and > > speaking > > > > confidently... I must think I am better than them--or some such > > retarded > > notion > > > > like that. > > > > > > > > Now, understand, I tried to reroute this by mentioning the trolls > > dolls-- > > as > > > > you can see in this discussions' history. Take a lighter side of > > things. > > > > Possibly try to defuse this situation. > > > > > > > > But no, I play the sexist card once, and suddenly I show my true > > colours. > > > > Which to be really fair, there have been previous threads where, I have > > played > > > > it, but in a joking manner to indicate embarrassment--just to show a > > different > > > > use I did for it. > > > > > > > > Now, then, come off that high fvcking horse of yours. > > > > > > > > Yes, sometimes I am wrong. I can admit that. Though, from the looks of > > things, > > > > I am the only person here that is willing to admit to this. > > > > > > > > Right--but between either what the correct issues here of chronic ADHD > > or > > low > > > > reading comprehension, you probably have not gotten to this paragraph. > > > > > > > > Anyways--look, I must apologise if I have am being bitter. > > > > > > > > I just hate being told I took something OT, that somebody else did long > > before > > > > me. I also hate having these walls of text complains come up for a > > medium > > that > > > > IS ONLY EVER DONE IN TEXT. > > > > > > > > If we were not to have walls of it ever, we would be doing this on IRC > > or > > > > twitter... not a mailing list software. > > > > > > > > Have a great day. > > > > ~Katrina > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 26, 2010 04:08:39 pm Chris Deegan wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Omfg. Can we stay on topic. And Katrina, you wanna play the sexism > > card > > > > without any reason? Nice one, really shows your true colours. Please go > > troll > > > > some other list. I'm tired of your bullshit OT drivel. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 27/07/2010, at 7:56 AM, Katrina Payne < > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> -blinks- > > > >>> > > > >>> You know--I should simply start collecting those dolls now. > > > >>> > > > >>> As from a lot of what people say, it appears to be a thing I should > > > > collect. > > > >>> > > > >>> Go all Meme Bobeck on that stuff. > > > >>> > > > >>> ~Katrina > > > >>> > > > >>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:49:39 pm Casey Doran wrote: > > > >>>> ITT: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Katrina Payne > > > > <[email protected] > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Right--so back to the kitchen with me--or whatever crap I obviously > > do > > > > not > > > >>>>> know, as I got a few details wrong and lack a Y chromosone... or > > some > > > > such > > > >>>>> ridiculous notion. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Because we all know, none of you ever get any minor details wrong. > > Which > > > >>>>> means, you are never talking crap. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> And trust me--I do not rant on every bloody thread in this list. In > > > > fact, > > > >>> I > > > >>>>> think there have been maybe five or six. So, if this list is made > > up of > > > >>>>> five or > > > >>>>> six threads, than I agree. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Have a good day. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ~Katrina > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:43:24 pm Cory de La Torre wrote: > > > >>>>>> We need to turn this HLCoders list to Katrina Payne "Never Stops > > > >>> talking" > > > >>>>>> List. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Katrina Payne < > > > >>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Protip: I am not doing anything. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Unless you can state what it is, and evidence I am doing it. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Nobody has, so I am going to say I am not doing anything that I > > have > > > >>>>> not > > > >>>>>>> already apologised for and adjusted on. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> ~Katrina > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:34:38 pm Dexter wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> Katrina, > > > >>>>>>>> Pro-tip, you're still doing it.. and it doesn't have to do with > > > >>>>> Spanish > > > >>>>>>> :D > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Katrina Payne > > > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 26, 2010 03:01:05 pm Rodrigo 'r2d2rigo' Diaz > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> Katryna, I find amusing how you always talk about crap you > > don't > > > >>>>> have > > > >>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>> clue > > > >>>>>>>>>> about, and rant for 20-30 lines. The signature said "Nuevo > > > >>>>> Hotmail", > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>> it's a campaign for the new MSN Live! features being deployed. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Look, I made a mistranslation for Neuvo for a word that sounds > > > >>>>> similar > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>> English nova. Which the Spanish word that pronounces similar to > > > >>> the > > > >>>>>>> English > > > >>>>>>>>> nova has the translation I did. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Also, to be fair, I really have no idea why any website would > > need > > > >>>>> a > > > >>>>>>> new > > > >>>>>>> web > > > >>>>>>>>> domain just to advertise new features. Or if it is local, why > > they > > > >>>>> are > > > >>>>>>> still > > > >>>>>>>>> using ".com". > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> So, I saw this site, and generally just assumed it was a > > phishing > > > >>>>>>> site--or > > > >>>>>>>>> some form of knock off. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I will assume that this is another bad habit I have attributed > > > >>> from > > > >>>>> my > > > >>>>>>> days on > > > >>>>>>>>> the web (this stuff appeared a lot more often in the late > > nineties, > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>>>> early > > > >>>>>>>>> 00s). > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> There are a few of these that I need to adjust as they are no > > > >>>>> longer > > > >>>>>>> helpful-- > > > >>>>>>>>> and only hurt me. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes, he looks Spanish/South American. Yes, he doesn't have a > > clue > > > >>>>>>> about > > > >>>>>>>>>> English. Yes, he doesn't have a clue about programming. Just > > > >>>>> another > > > >>>>>>> kiddie > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the "OMG i want to maek t3h Kaunter > > Straiekk!!11oneoneon1! > > > >>>>>>> 1eleelven!!1" > > > >>>>>>>>>> idea. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Yes, I understand that this likely is a "OMG! I got teh roxxers > > > >>>>> ideas!" > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand what that feeling is like. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I also understand what it feels like to learn that you cannot > > do > > > >>>>> that. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I also understand the feeling of hitting the books to get to > > the > > > >>>>> point > > > >>>>>>> where > > > >>>>>>>>> you could conceivably do it. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> There is just one requirement. Somebody to be patient with this > > > >>>>> crap. > > > >>>>>>> Every > > > >>>>>>>>> programmer tends to have cycle that we all have gone through to > > > >>> get > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> our > > > >>>>>>>>> current spot. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> The main reason we tend to hate these people is we feel > > > >>> embarrassed > > > >>>>> for > > > >>>>>>> when > > > >>>>>>>>> we were that stupid. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Everybody here has done this stuff at one time or another. It > > is > > > >>>>>>> essentially a > > > >>>>>>>>> form of being a toddler in the world of game design. Whether we > > > >>> did > > > >>>>>>> this > > > >>>>>>> at > > > >>>>>>>>> the age of five, or at the age of sixteen (oh dear sweet > > merciless > > > >>>>>>> Eris, > > > >>>>>>> was I > > > >>>>>>>>> bad for this when I was sixteen), or into your mid > > twenties--some > > > >>>>>>> people > > > >>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>> in this stage in their fourties and fifties. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Now, you can generally frown, and dislike that the toddler is > > > >>>>>>> there--due > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>> your own embarrassment from the days where we all did the same > > > >>>>> thing. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Which I think reeks of immaturity, BTW. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Or you can change these toddlers' diapers. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> One reek or the other people. I have chosen mine--and it is one > > > >>>>> that a > > > >>>>>>> few > > > >>>>>>>>> tend to have issues agreeing. I can understand this. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Yes, I know I am wrong (oh damn--have I been wrong lots)... the > > > >>>>> thing > > > >>>>>>> is... we > > > >>>>>>>>> are all just fvcking this up as we go along. Especially the > > > >>>>> successful > > > >>>>>>> people. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Nothing to see here, citizens. Move along. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2010/7/26 Katrina Payne <[email protected]> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well the signature appeared to be for "Neuvo Hotmail". That > > is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> neuvohotmail.com . > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Which does not strike me as any name any spanish hotmail > > > >>> service > > > >>>>>>> would > > > >>>>>>>>> ever > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think to use. Neuvo translates roughly to "no go", > > > >>>>> "nonexistant", > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "nothing", > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "nada", "not there". > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, and I will give you on the LAN version being the only > > > >>>>> current > > > >>>>>>> real > > > >>>>>>>>>>> reason. I said a few times that I considered the other > > reasons > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>>>> entirely > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fictional at the current time. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Even to the point of the ridiculous comparison to C'thulhu > > and > > > >>>>>>> Activision > > > >>>>>>>>>>> as > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the only reason that the others could work. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Though, I am very leery of believing most of the countries > > said > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> be > > > >>>>>>> high > > > >>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> piracy really are. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> As well, Canada is currently in that list of countries with > > > >>>>> large > > > >>>>>>> amounts > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> software piracy. Which really makes sense as well some > > > >>> companies > > > >>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>> trying > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> push we get treated, for shipping and what not, much like how > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> USA > > > >>>>>>>>>>> treats > > > >>>>>>>>>>> trade with China, Russia and Cuba--it is there, but frowned > > > >>>>> upon. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> However, I dunno--if he really was a Latin Pirate, using a > > > >>>>> Spanish > > > >>>>>>> Hotmail > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that for some reason was locally called "not there hotmail", > > I > > > >>>>> doubt > > > >>>>>>> he > > > >>>>>>>>>>> would > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ask the official list for a way to help. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I dunno--and again... the lack of confirmation of the OP > > makes > > > >>>>> this > > > >>>>>>> just > > > >>>>>>>>>>> seem > > > >>>>>>>>>>> like an even more ridiculous troll. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> However, not going to take the chance it is not, and help > > him, > > > >>>>> if > > > >>>>> he > > > >>>>>>>>>>> requires > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Oh and defend my own pride--or something silly like that. Or > > at > > > >>>>>>> least > > > >>>>>>>>>>> explain > > > >>>>>>>>>>> why I am thinking silly stuff. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 25, 2010 09:17:23 pm ZuM wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well about the situation you said the lan party is the only > > > >>>>> reason > > > >>>>>>> i > > > >>>>>>>>>>> believe > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> someone would use the Won version :P > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Or to pirate the game, because if you look you can find > > > >>>>> several > > > >>>>>>> pirate > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> servers, specially in countries with a very high level of > > > >>>>> piracy > > > >>>>>>> like > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Brasil > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also Katrina you mentioned about hotmail, the service is > > > >>>>> localized > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> available in a lot of countries, like Argentina, Spain, > > > >>> etc... > > > >>>>> but > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> adress is always .com only, just like in Gmail, and that > > > >>>>> signature > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> localized version for some country :P > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/7/25 Katrina Payne <[email protected]> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, in my situation, I do not have a computer that could > > > >>>>>>> comfortably > > > >>>>>>>>>>> run > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> either OS Steam is released for. If I could afford it, I > > > >>>>> would > > > >>>>>>> get > > > >>>>>>> an > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Apple > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer and get the games on that system. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I really do not understand windows enough to really run it. > > > >>>>> As > > > >>>>>>> well-- > > > >>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> different paradigm of sorts, and I have long since learned > > > >>>>> that > > > >>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> bad > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> OS, I just really have no clue how to get it to function. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, in the two situations presented here, I win the > > > >>>>> lottery > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> start > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> buying Apple products or Steam is released on Linux, I > > > >>> would > > > >>>>> pay > > > >>>>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>>>>> games > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that I enjoy. Even if they are not on sale. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Though, the really odd thing is: Valve seems wary of > > > >>>>> releasing > > > >>>>>>> on > > > >>>>>>>>> Linux > > > >>>>>>>>>>> due > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the reasons of "people on Linux want stuff for > > free". > > > >>>>>>> Though > > > >>>>>>>>>>> most > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> users are more anal than me, about paying for stuff. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then on Windows when I cannot afford a piece of software, I > > > >>>>> get > > > >>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>> nice > > > >>>>>>>>>>> loud > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> choir chorus of, "just get it cracked" > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meh--I dunno. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are reasons to have a nonSteam Half Life Mod. Most of > > > >>>>> them > > > >>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hypothetical, and are not looking like they will happen in > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> near > > > >>>>>>>>>>> future. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we have the one that people at LAN parties, or run > > > >>>>> their > > > >>>>>>> systems > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> standalone every now and again tend to complain about: if > > > >>>>> they > > > >>>>>>> cannot > > > >>>>>>>>>>> get > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> outside their immediate network, the game no longer > > > >>>>> functions. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, while I can understand the OP's rationale for wanting a > > > >>>>>>> nonSteam > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Halflife > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mod if it follows a very legal sense. I am still aware that > > > >>>>>>> there > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> more > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to doubt that the OP has considered these reasons > > > >>>>> than > > > >>>>>>> there > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> think he is using them. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is: this is looking more and more like a troll > > > >>>>> post, > > > >>>>>>> without > > > >>>>>>>>>>> any > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> further update from the OP. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> And well, considering we have had a few recent posts that > > > >>>>> were > > > >>>>>>> along > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> lines > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of "testing" and that Gmail invite (thank goodness! Those > > > >>>>> are > > > >>>>> so > > > >>>>>>> rare > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hollowed~!)... I am starting to think that this may have > > > >>>>> been a > > > >>>>>>> troll. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which has largely resulted in me, and a few others, > > > >>>>> preaching > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> choir > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> about various subject matters present. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meh, usually it is at this point the OP comes in, to try to > > > >>>>>>> confirm > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> was not a troll post, or something. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 25, 2010 05:23:03 pm Harry Jeffery wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pay for things that are fairly priced. That means all > > > >>>>> valve > > > >>>>>>> games, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indie games and games that are on sale in steam. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26 July 2010 00:14, Katrina Payne > > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah--I really do not agree with software piracy. I > > > >>> tend > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>> very > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> anal > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself with any agreements and contracts are signed. > > > >>>>> People > > > >>>>>>> who > > > >>>>>>>>>>> have > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> credit > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due get it and all. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was why I listed a few hypothetical situations > > > >>>>> where a > > > >>>>>>>>> cracked > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> game > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> may > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be needed to work without it being for the wrong > > > >>>>>>> reasons--and > > > >>>>>>> one > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared a few times (the LAN one). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though, the only way most of those would work, is if > > > >>>>>>> Activision > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bought > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valve-- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or some other similar occurrence that best fits in a > > > >>>>> pulp > > > >>>>>>> horror > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> novelette > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> than > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mailing list. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And like I said: even if he did get to a point where he > > > >>>>>>> could > > > >>>>>>>>> start > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> work... it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never get in any real direction. Would not work > > > >>>>> quite > > > >>>>>>> as > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a lot harder to arrange than if he just simply did > > > >>>>> one > > > >>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>>> could > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (for > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current moment) do stuff with the Steam Halflife. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and seeing as how I am looking to join the Pirate > > > >>>>> Party > > > >>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Canada, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> would > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be best to note, that I, and most other people > > > >>> involved, > > > >>>>>>> frown > > > >>>>>>> on > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> people > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going, "Pirates?! OMG! FREE CRAP!" > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I tend to spend more on movies, music and games > > > >>> than > > > >>>>>>> most > > > >>>>>>>>>>> people > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> who > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> do > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not follow these ideas. If anything, since looking into > > > >>>>>>> Piracy, > > > >>>>>>> I > > > >>>>>>>>>>> tend > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MORE anal about making certain developers, artists and > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> people > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their works gets what they are owed. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just do not like really invasive copy protection > > > >>>>> schemes > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control of the exchange of cultural and information. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I however think that the people who worked hard on this > > > >>>>>>> stuff > > > >>>>>>>>>>> should > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> get > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> paid > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it, and should be able to eat, have shelter and all > > > >>>>> that > > > >>>>>>> other > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fine > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that paying them is suppose to give them. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I am not alone in my views of how this stuff works. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 25, 2010 04:47:17 pm Jonathan Murphy > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cracked versions of Half-Life/Source games used to > > > >>> (are > > > >>>>>>> still?) > > > >>>>>>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called Non-Steam distributions because you didn't need > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> have > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Steam > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed to play them, they instead were distributed > > > >>>>> with > > > >>>>>>> hacked > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binaries that tricked the game into thinking it was > > > >>>>> being > > > >>>>>>>>> launched > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Steam. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only limitation to making a mod that works with > > > >>>>>>> Non-Steam > > > >>>>>>>>>>> distros > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be having the correct version of the source to > > > >>>>> build > > > >>>>>>> your > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hl.dll/ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server.dll. Which might be fairly difficult to find. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as encouragement of piracy is not condoned on this > > > >>>>> list > > > >>>>>>> I'd > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine you won't find a lot of help here anyway. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2010, at 1:16 PM, Katrina Payne > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 24, 2010 04:44:19 pm Jonas > > > >>> 'Sortie' > > > >>>>>>> Termansen > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find it ammusing that you follow the trend and > > > >>>>> use a > > > >>>>>>> more > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated vocabulary as well which will probably > > > >>>>>>> leave > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> op > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confused when he runs this through google > > > >>>>> translate. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ifdef __INTELLIGENCE__ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just wrap my posts in ifdefs if I don't want some > > > >>>>>>> people > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> read > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when I don't want anybody to read them at all, > > > >>> I > > > >>>>>>> encode > > > >>>>>>>>>>> them > > > >>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EBCDIC. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #endif > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think this guy even has a codebase, at > > > >>> least > > > >>>>>>> that's > > > >>>>>>>>> how > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand his post, that he is looking for a > > > >>>>> Non-Steam > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Half-Life > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SDK. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He sounds like he is able to make Steam-based > > > >>>>> Half-Life > > > >>>>>>> mods > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found some Non-Steam mods, and that he is now > > > >>>>> confused > > > >>>>>>> how > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> do > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though, this HL.dll thing sounds weird to me. Do we > > > >>>>> have > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> source > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> list > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archives, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ifdef __INTELLIGENCE__ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extern "Geek Humour" { > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you can always encode them in preISO ASCII-7. > > > >>>>> Maybe > > > >>>>>>> also > > > >>>>>>>>>>> have > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translated to 1337 speak based Aremaic, with a few > > > >>>>> items > > > >>>>>>>>>>> demostrated > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only via > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perl 4 base Jephs (that is, "pretty" code, sometimes > > > >>>>>>> ASCII > > > >>>>>>> Art > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially does nothing when ran), then encrypted > > > >>>>> using > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Megatoyko's > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schedule for your key. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }; > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #endif > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be fair. Half Life DOES kind of predate Steam. He > > > >>>>> may > > > >>>>>>> have > > > >>>>>>>>>>> found > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> items and elements that were done with Half Life > > > >>>>> prior > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Steam's > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This means he does not have to worry about quite as > > > >>>>>>> strict > > > >>>>>>> of a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> copy > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection scheme. Which has been one of Steam's > > > >>>>> biggest > > > >>>>>>>>>>> complaints. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mostly > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for games, that lock out, if they cannot talk with a > > > >>>>>>> Steam > > > >>>>>>>>>>> server > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are okay for it. Which does kind of suck, if > > > >>> you > > > >>>>> are > > > >>>>>>> not > > > >>>>>>>>>>> able > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steam on the current computer you are on. Be it for > > > >>>>> Valve > > > >>>>>>> going > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under, or > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valve shutting down Steam--but not continuing > > > >>> certain > > > >>>>>>> loved > > > >>>>>>>>>>> games > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that used > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this copy protection scheme or you are doing a LAN > > > >>>>> party > > > >>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sorts. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though a con is that he would also be using an > > > >>>>>>> excessively > > > >>>>>>> OLD > > > >>>>>>>>>>> code > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We also have a few people that mentioned in the > > > >>>>>>> hlds_linux > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list about > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a project to make a Source Workalike that can get > > > >>>>> mods > > > >>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>> do > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use Valve > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properties in them (such as models, gadgets and what > > > >>>>> not) > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> work > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without Half > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life 2. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though my understanding was that the Source > > > >>> Workalike > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> run > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Mods > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that do not > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain Valve IP in them (that is, taking models and > > > >>>>> what > > > >>>>>>> not > > > >>>>>>>>>>> from > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Half Life > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1, Half Life 2, Half Life Episodes, TF, TFC, CS, > > > >>>>> CS:S, > > > >>>>>>> Blue > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Shift., > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc., > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc., etc) was only still, at the very most in an > > > >>>>> Alpha > > > >>>>>>> state, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> if > > > >>>>>>>>>>> at > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage of things. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So--there could be a few things that he COULD be > > > >>>>> trying > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> have > > > >>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonSteam > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Half Life Mod run... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just chances are, if he can get them to run--he > > > >>> could > > > >>>>> not > > > >>>>>>> get > > > >>>>>>>>>>> them > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run well > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in any way. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Katrina > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>> archives, > > > >>>>>>> please visit: > > > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>> archives, > > > >>>>>>> please visit: > > > 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