Fletch (and Saul) thank you for the clarification.  I appreciate you taking
the time to do so.

(and I submitted my post before Fletch's came in, so my post was written
before Fletch took the time to clarify, which essentially nullifies my post,
*grin*  Timing is everything right?)

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Saul Rennison <[email protected]>wrote:

> No.
>
> Let me reiterate so Fletcher isn't repeating himself. If your players are
> having a good time, you won't be in trouble. The point is, it's mainly
> targeted towards gift drop exploiters and other bullshit admins do to
> advantage themselves against other players.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> *Saul Rennison*
>
>
>
> On 28 October 2011 19:53, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Well, we have a set of rules and a lot of banned players who've tried
>> hacking us, trolling us, etc to get us back.  What rules *WE* enforce should
>> be our business, shouldn't it?  So we've got a large ban list of trolls,
>> dicks, hackers, etc.  People often do not like us for actually enforcing our
>> rules....and want to "hate" on us.  We have a decent player base who support
>> us and like that we take an active and often hardline approach toward the
>> "isms" (racism, sexism, ageism, etc.) as well as toward trolls/dicks in
>> general.
>>
>> Will valve "investigate" and actually consult with the server
>> owner/community?  Do I need to start doing demos, screenshots and recordings
>> of folks spewing all of the hate speech and rule breaking just to cover my
>> back?  I ask this because compared to some other servers, we *ARE* a little
>> more strict than other servers.  So with this new subjective aspect, it has
>> me wondering what's to come.
>>
>> And why now?  Free to play was implemented, which allows even more
>> anonymous trolls to make account after account (and even change their IP as
>> well), and now I gotta answer for banishing groups of them off my server?
>> This may just be the end of our servers, as I never thought, as a server
>> owner, I'd have to "answer" to Valve for the server I ran when I am not
>> violating any terms of service in doing so.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:33 PM, E. Olsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a valid question - an abuse reporting system has been put in
>>> place, without telling the users what consittutes abuse (which I think would
>>> lead to many more false reports than not). Some guidelines (both for users
>>> and server operators) might be beneficial, both to keep down the number of
>>> nuisance reports, AND help the server operators to stay in compliance. It's
>>> all well and good to say that Valve reserves the right to ban servers/IP's
>>> for abuse, but without knowing what the rules/guidelines are, it's giving
>>> operators an invisible line and telling us "don't cross this".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  What is considered as abusive behaviour?
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