1. I never said that. I said two of the addresses weren't.
2. No, I said making accusations will make people notice and do a follow up.
3. I never said any such thing. My last post to this list was ARGUING
with Dr. McKay on how reporting that a user is quickplay can be abused.
You should try, you know, using your eyes and reading some time.
4. It didn't take that much free time to, you know, look at the email
source. Most mail clients have that ability.
5. Yup, I can't confirm or deny SOMEONE ELSE's previous accusations of
you and others being the same person. You know, the same check I just
did on your (proven to be false) claims.
6. Yup, you can accuse me of being a duplicate, but you'd have a mighty
hard time of proving that. Particularly since I've been an active
member of this list since... 2009? I'm also active in several other TF2
communities, such as Reddit /r/tf2 and Allied Modders. In other words,
*I* have a very traceable history.
As for the Microsoft and Google services, I wasn't aware of them. I was
just going by the mail headers which trivially proved you wrong for at
least two of them.
On 6/16/2013 9:26 PM, Steam Commander wrote:
LMAO.
So let us all get this straight...
1) You claim my accusations that [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> are untraceable.
2) You state that 'Throw(ing) false accusations around' will make
people notice and thus do a follow up investigation.
3) You admit that you made false accusations in your original posting.
4) You have so much free time that you actually claim to have looked
into the tracing of each message origin.
5) You admit that you cant confirm or deny previous accusations.
6) You invite accusation that this is just another account you use to
troll this list.
You're a smart one aren't you(sarcasm). Microsoft and Google both
provide a service for tracing email origin ip. If you actually knew
what you were talking about you would already know this. It is
extremely obvious that you and your multiple accounts only exist to
troll this mailing list. I would offer the assumption that you are a
pinion employee based on your insistent stance that MOTD is essential
to a gamers experience and your clandestine approach towards proving
an accusation that you admit is false in the first place.
May I suggest you make some use of your skills with fiction writing
and create some game content.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:09:44 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
You know, if you throw accusations of that around, someone is bound to
check and notice that you're lying.
For instance:
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>'s last message
was received by list.valvesoftware.com from batman.drmckay.com
[50.115.172.11]... it was also routed through mail-wi0-f172.google.com
supposedly first, but I can't verify that part of the chain.
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>'s last message was received
by mx.google.com from 98.124.110.151
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>'s last message was
received by BAY170-W81 [65.54.190.59] (one of Microsoft's mail
servers) which blatantly removed the IP it received mail from in
violation of the specs.
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>'s last message was
received by mail-bk0-f45.google.com from 10.204.4.205... which isn't
an Internet-routable address. Presumably, this is one of Google's
internal servers and they are also blatantly removing the IP it
received mail from in violation of the specs.
Incidentally, Microsoft not including the IPs it received mail from is
why we can't confirm or deny the previous accusation of 3/4/5 people
posting from the same address, because they were all from Microsoft's
mail properties (Outlook, Hotmail, Live). And as you've noticed,
GMail is no better about this if you use its web interface.
But feel free to accuse me of being a duplicate too, because I'm
pretty sure you'll see that mine is received by one of Google's
servers from IP 23.28.13.44.
On 6/16/2013 8:50 PM, Steam Commander wrote:
make that four accounts with the same origin ip [50.115.172.19],
also registered to doctormckay.com...
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
email origin is not the same as the mailing list, thanks for
expressing your concern so as to make me look closer at your trail
too.
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From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:43:49 +0100
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
Valve's mailing list IP?
On 17 June 2013 01:41, Steam Commander <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
speaking of single user multiple accounts. it looks like
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, and
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> are coming
from the same origin ip address. funny how that works out.
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From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:28:22 -0400
Subject: [hlds] (no subject)
make that five accounts
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From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:21:06 -0400
Subject: [hlds] (no subject)
Make that four accounts.
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From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:19:06 -0400
Subject: [hlds] (no subject)
Way to attack people contributing to the list!!
What makes you think they are the same person? because they
disagree with your wrong opinion?
Which one of those people said anything about "quickplay" at
all? do you actually read what people write or do you just
make things up in your head and respond in kind?
A few loud mouths do not reflect the opinions of all.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Evourr [[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>]
*To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
<https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=hlds%40list.valvesoftware.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [hlds] TF2 MOTD and Quickplay
The problem is this thread got derailed by one user with 3
subscribed accounts. (Liquid Source, Steam Commander, and
Valve Monkey.)
Additional information added to the return of the "status"
command would suit your needs.
The problem with your original statement is that you wanted
Valve to implement a restriction on the quickplay clients so
the motd was completely disabled, but you only wanted it so
you could detect quickplay clients. (That's just bad practice.)
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