Well tuning is a relative thing. I got lambasted on this list a while back for sticking to the 8th partial tuning (Bb open) but honestly it's how you're used to playing. I'm used to considering 8th partials being in tune, so I tune them to be and play in tune. I'm used to 5th partials being flat. I'm also used to the Bb horn C not being in tune to the F horn C since they're different partials - and I tune that way. I still play F side above a G when I know the intonation/sound will be better. I may not be able to do it today, but I practiced the short call on the F side of the horn many many times to the point I could pull it off. I tune to the partial because I think along partials. Some people don't think that way, others do. Some people want to tune their C's to be equal - but I've gotten to the point where I naturally expect certain partials to be flat/sharp. Naturally, if you tune the Bb 8th partial to be in tune, then the C will be sharp. If you tune the Bb C to be in tune, your Bb 8th partial will be flat. Plus, a lot of people go from the F side to the Bb side in Strauss 1, and if the F side is out of tune it will throw off my relative pitch and I may think a note is way more out of tune than it really is. Why is your Bb 8th partial flat? Maybe because you tune differently than others. In my opinion, it's all relative. Do what you have to do to play in tune, but don't do anything silly, and don't try to tune the whole horn by the 2nd tuning slide. When I tune, I tune to what horn I'm actually playing. If it's a F/Bb horn, I tune to concert Bb and F pitches on the piano. If there is no Bb tuning slide, I tune the Bb side first with the main tuning slide, then with the F. In fact, I prefer not to have a Bb tuning slide. If I'm playing on an E/A horn, I tune to E and A. If I'm playing on a B and F# horn, B and F#. I've heard at least a dozen different tuning methods for the same instrument by many, many people - and they could all play in tune. If it works, go for it. Just make life easy for yourself. -William In a message dated 4/22/2011 7:39:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
Hello friends, why nobody has thought to tune the horn with an interval to the given oboe "a", let´s say playing our "c" on 2nd space from top (concert f) in relation to the given a. If the concert "f" is played most relaxed & in piano dynamics it is fine in tune on most horns & on the F-side as well as on the Bb-side. If the horn is tuned using our written "e2" (= first space from top) the horn will result quite sharp, relatively, as you tuned it with a relatively flat natural pitch. Tuning the horn using the second valve on the Bb-horn is insane as if you would start driving with 2nd gear. I remember a student audition, we hold sometimes to give a young unknown player (just one of them) a chance to participate on the real audition the following day, sometimes resulting in a surprise - the present principal of my former section won his job this way when just 19 years of age. During such a selective pre-audition one young (lady) player tuned her horn to the piano "a" by playing the same pitch with 2nd valve on the Bb-side, then realized being sharp a bit & corrected the pitch by the right hand & began her presentation. I thought I must go out to find & shoot her teacher. ######################################################################## Am 22.04.2011 um 12:52 schrieb Jonathan West: > On 22 April 2011 06:59, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I personally never understood tuning to the concert A unless you use the Bb >> horn and 2nd finger (4th space on the treble clef). I've seen plenty of >> people 'tune' to the first space E both open on the F horn and on the Bb >> horn. >> >> Then again, when I notice they don't touch their slides after they 'tune', >> I just let it go. >> >> Or you could do like the strings and play everything but the A. >> >> > The fact is that once a horn has been adjusted so it is in tune, it takes > either a pretty huge change in temperature or for the oboe to provide a > significantly different A for there to be any need to adjust the tuning of > the instrument. > > I agree about tuning using 2nd valve Bb side to the 4th space E. The octave > below is such a wide "slot" that you are likely to lip the note into tune > quite unconsciously, and the harmonic on the open F side is significantly > flat relative to equal temperament. > > Regards > Jonathan West > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
