I apologize that I didn't clarify that I tune with the first line E on the Bb 
side, using valve 2 (not the octave above as most of you assumed).   Again, it 
is my understanding the the first line E on the F side with open valves is 
about 
20 cents flat.  However, I observe most amateur horn players tuning this E on 
the F side with open valves.  Maybe this explains why so many amateurs play 
sharp.

Larry

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